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  mntnman444

  Dec. 9, 2006, 7:45 p.m.

  Kamo

  This is an excellent arcticle!!

  I see much of the same info from The Emporer Wears No Clothes by Jack Herer.All of this info is verifiable in the book and can be found at jackherer.com

  Another good site for just about every scientific study ever done is

  http://www.druglibrary.org/toc.htm

  Also,stopthedrugwar.org has a weekly mag called the Drug War Chronicle that has all the current info.

  BTW- N.Dakota just legalized industrial hemp effective Jan 1

  The DEA is still fighting it saying there is no difference between marijuana and hemp...funny,every other country where hemp is legal they seem to be able to tell the difference.

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 12:09 p.m.

    http://politics.netscape.com/story/2006/12/08/ndak

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      m-simon

      Dec. 10, 2006, 3:32 p.m.

      Here is another reason:

      http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/02/why-we

      Graft and corruption. And another:

      http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/09/drug-w

      Racism.
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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 4:48 p.m.

    A drug is a drug,it doesnt cause anything.It is the drug laws that create all the problems with crime and corruption.No society in the history of the world has ever been able to completely stop a segment of the population from using a particular drug.Prohibition has repeatedly shown it's ineffectiveness to prevent a drug from being used and it's creation of a black market.Where there is a demand there will always be a supply.

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      mntnman444

      Dec. 10, 2006, 5:05 p.m.

      Argue with the cops from LEAP and the largest study ever done by the NAS...not me.

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        mntnman444

        Dec. 10, 2006, 5:10 p.m.

        Pot smokers are not drug addicts no matter what you say.

        do you have 35 yrs of personal experience?

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          mntnman444

          Dec. 10, 2006, 10:23 p.m.

          OK,and I have bought pot from a cop,sold pot to a cop,smoked pot with a cop as well as a County Attorney,A Federal Judge,a US Special Forces Group Commander,a bank president,a probation officer,a TSA official, a city councilman,mormons and reborn christians,2 doctors and a millionaire.I'm sure there are lowlifes who use it too because marijuana users are a cross section of society.

          And BTW-I'm not doing too bad either,I was able to use my swiss cheese brain and capitalize on Bush Sr's recession and then cash in during Clintons boom.
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      elzorro2162

      Dec. 14, 2006, 7:24 a.m.

      Another stereotype! It also turns the rich into unproductive zombies it just happens to be they are better off and daddy gives him car, house, and a "job". If he commits a crime daddy's lawyers will get him off the hook. The poor do not have that luxury!
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    elzorro2162

    Dec. 14, 2006, 7:21 a.m.

    Have you ever lived or worked in one of these communities? It is my thought that your comments are stereotypical and crass generalizations. A balnket statement can't be used to describe these communities and is unfair. The causes are not inherent in their personalities or races, but in circumstances, segregation, deficient educational opportunities and decreased recreational options. I know, I have worked in these communities and schools.
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  mntnman444

  Dec. 9, 2006, 7:46 p.m.

  And once again I will remind people of the cops on the front lines who have formed a group called

  Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

  at LEAP.cc

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 4:50 p.m.

    Halko

    You need to see what LEAP has to say about this before you go on making a fool out of yourself.

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      mntnman444

      Dec. 10, 2006, 4:54 p.m.

      If you're not interested in what the people on the ground have to say then maybe check out the Heritage Foundations resolution.People like William F Buckley and George Shultz totally disagree with your statements.
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      mntnman444

      Dec. 10, 2006, 5:07 p.m.

      What I agree with is the fact that drug laws cause the price to rise,making it more worth it for poor people to sell it.Please dont try to argue the success of prohibition with me,that was settled when alcohol prohibition was repealed.

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        mntnman444

        Dec. 10, 2006, 5:21 p.m.

        And I also agree with the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation

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          mntnman444

          Dec. 10, 2006, 10:26 p.m.

          You dont care about far left or far right?Can a person get any farther right than you?

          I can see it now...the Iraq war is coming to an end and theres the cheerleading squad...George,Laura,the dog and you.

          You have attained your rightful place as the Donald Rumsfeld of the drug war.
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      tsteele93

      Dec. 10, 2006, 5:14 p.m.

      I disagree with that statement as it is phrased. While I am very Atlas Shrugged/Ayn Randian, I believe that money is a representation of value. You can create something of value with very little work.

      For instance, you can buy a lotto ticket and for very little work, you can obtain a lotto money.

      Meanwhile, you can bust your hump all day long digging ditches and make very little money.

      I don't know what your utopian point is going to be, but REALITY and PRACTICALITY dictate that we have a very good example of prohibition to go by - we did it with alcohol to horrible results once before, and now we are doing it with harmless drugs like marijuana.

      I'm not a user, I don't even drink much. But society has ALWAYS had some form of escapism for its members. I'm constantly AMAZED at some of the people I come into contact with who use marijuana. Extremely well-respected businessmen and more. Making pot illegal is a tragic, and ironic joke.

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        mntnman444

        Dec. 11, 2006, 1:52 a.m.

        I could argue that speeding is more of an immediate threat to ones self and other people than smoking a joint.Speeding is illegal yet almost everyone breaks the law all the time.2000 lbs of steel traveling 80 mph is lethal,something you cant say about marijuana.So should we have mandatory prison sentences for speeders?Should we raid their homes and round them up?Should we set up anonymous tip lines to turn in our neighbors (or maybe just settle a score)? Imagine what these agressive drivers cost us in insurance rates.

        What happened to the core conservative belief of individual liberty and personal responsibility?
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      mntnman444

      Dec. 10, 2006, 10:56 p.m.

      And if you think you are going to go through here and slip in comments after the conversation is over like a ninja,You wont get away with it,this was a good story and I will follow you through here and correct your misstatements,so why dont you collect all your "facts" and start your own anti-drug thread.I'm quite happy with the number of conservatives who have commented on this thread,it gives me hope.

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        mntnman444

        Dec. 11, 2006, 12:27 a.m.

        I wont argue that marijuana is not harmful,but so are many other things like chocolate.The effects of a drug depend upon the drug,the surounding environment while under the influence and the emotional state of the person under the influence.Legality has nothing to do with the effects.Nancy Reagan,by no means an expert,used to say that if you used it you were abusing it,simply because of it's illegality.Thats just BS.One of the first anti-marijuana crusaders in the 70's was Peggy Mann,a housewife who one day found a pack of rolling papers in her teenage daughters room and was so upset,she decided to write a book called Marijuana Alert.She was one of the first to make the claim of amotivational syndrome,another one discounted in the NAS report.
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  jonmaverick

  Dec. 9, 2006, 9:42 p.m.

  This guy's credits include articles promoting LSD and peyote, articles with space aliens and govt. conspiracies. I think I'll investigate a little further before I repopulate my 300 acre poppy field with hemp.

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 9, 2006, 11:43 p.m.

    Then why dont you check out LEAP.cc

    Or are they of questionable reputation too?

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      mntnman444

      Dec. 9, 2006, 11:45 p.m.

      Can you refute even one of the facts stated in this story?

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        Maldovar

        Dec. 10, 2006, 3:06 a.m.

        This entire article talks almost exclusively about hemp, not marijuana. The above quote makes it so it seems hemp was being dubbed marijuana, which it never was.

        ma·ri·jua·na [mar-uh-wah-nuh]the dried leaves and female flowers of the hemp plant, used in cigarette form as a narcotic or hallucinogen.

        hemp [hemp] 1. Also called Indian hemp, marijuana. a tall, coarse plant, Cannabis sativa, that is native to Asia but naturalized or cultivated in many parts of the world and is the source of a valuable fiber as well as drugs such as marijuana and hashish. Compare cannabis.

        2.the tough fiber of this plant, used for making rope, coarse fabric, etc.

        3.any of various plants resembling hemp.

        4.any of various fibers similar to hemp.

        5.a narcotic drug, as marijuana or hashish, prepared from the hemp plant.

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          djn3nunez3

          Dec. 10, 2006, 12:31 p.m.

          The results of the 1937 tax law was to shut down all the Hemp famers in the Kentucky valley and throughout the country. They had never heard of Marijuana either, nore were they producing it. It sure got hemp product off the shelves and nearly wiped all traces that they ever existed from the history books.

          The THC found in Marijuana is not a narcotic. It has medicinal properties. It is widely used in this country. The laws prohibiting it use are more destrutive to society the the effects of the drug itself.
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          tsteele93

          Dec. 10, 2006, 5:17 p.m.

          Uh, I am confused. You say that the article talks about hemp - not marijuana and you say they are not the same thing.

          Then you provide a definition for marijuana which says it is hemp and a definition for hemp that says it is marijuana.

          ?

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            mntnman444

            Dec. 10, 2006, 5:29 p.m.

            Marijuana is the flowering tops of the female Indian Hemp plant (cannabis sativa). Hemp is a distant cousin cannabis ruderalis and has such a low THC content that it is impossible to get high on.

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              mntnman444

              Dec. 10, 2006, 5:31 p.m.

              Much like the difference between the opium poppy and the California poppy.
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              mntnman444

              Dec. 10, 2006, 10:30 p.m.

              Yeah...thats what they told me in school...too bad it never happened.You know nothing about this subject except what someone told you to think.After you smoke so much,you dont keep getting higher like with alcohol.I dont know anyone who graduated from pot to heroin,I just know people who got caught by alcohol when they should have stuck with pot.
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              mntnman444

              Dec. 11, 2006, 1:56 a.m.

              you dont get it...ask anyone in Kansas,people dont even attempt to smoke hemp because they know they wont get high,thats why they call it "rope"
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        Maldovar

        Dec. 10, 2006, 3:17 a.m.

        If it wasn't for the narcotics created FROM the hemp plant, it wouldn't be illegal. Hemp is the plant, MJ the flowers, hemp as a drug has to be prepared to do the job.

        The simple fact is it's the source of a depressant and a hallucinogen and can be highly addictive. And yes I've smoked it myself when in college, so I'm not playing the saint here. But I also know several people (one was my best friend in college) who were completely hooked on it, convinced that they couldn't do anything without it.

        And of course, you have to love his comments about suggesting his wife should smoke a potent (and it is, though most who use it will deny that) drug while pregnant as a good thing that will help the child, as well as the fact that it's an ALIEN PLANT!

        "The pot plant is an ALIEN plant. There is physical evidence that cannabis is not like any other plant on this planet. One could conclude that it was brought here for the benefit of humanity."

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          mntnman444

          Dec. 10, 2006, 11:46 a.m.

          Hemp and marijuana are two different things,just what the DEA does NOT want people to believe.

          maldovar,can you provide any concrete evidence that marijuana is addictive?If the scientific proof comes from people you once knew,then I can provide overwhelming evidence that its not addictive.But I prefer to listen to the experts,so again,if you can provide a better study than the National Academy of Scientists which disproves your claim.I'd like to see it.The NAS is the group who aslo determined second hand smoke to be harmful...do you disagree with that too?
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          djn3nunez3

          Dec. 10, 2006, 12:41 p.m.

          So it a narcotic, depressant, hallucinogenic, addictive,ALIEN Plant! Man I want some of what your smokin...
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          betruthful

          Dec. 10, 2006, 2:53 p.m.

          I am not sure you actually KNOW anything about this drug. It is not addictive physically in any sense of the word. Some people just cannot cope if they are not not "high". They would get high on something if pot didn't exist. I am from the hippie days of the 60's and everyone I knew smoked pot every day and none became addicted to it. A few were alcoholics as they got older. As I did, all but a very few quit smoking pot completely as they had a reason to so.I smoked pot all day one day and none at all the next. No withdrawals no desire, nada.It is not an hallucinogen. My (now dead) brother-in-law had cancer and could only eat -and keep the food down-if he smoked pot. The law is ludicrous and counter productive. Everyone that supports the law is either dishonest or ignorant.
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          tsteele93

          Dec. 10, 2006, 5:21 p.m.

          Froggy,

          You err when you say the yuppies don't need marijuana. In my experience, a LOT of yuppies use marijuana. That is the beauty of this system. If you have money, and you want pot, it isn't hard to get. But the vp of marketing for an engineering company who buys a bag for the weekend doesn't get in trouble. The poor guy on the street corner trying to get ahead is the one who gets busted.

          Yuppies need pot and alcohol for different reasons. They have to sit back, look at how they have practically everything they ever wanted and wonder why they are so empty inside. The pot/alchohol can take that away for a moment.
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        mntnman444

        Dec. 11, 2006, 2:14 a.m.

        OMG! One of the most brilliant scientists of the 20th century was Carl Sagan,an admitted pot smoker.I just cant picture him as being stupid and uncoordinated and he surely was no dope.

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          mntnman444

          Dec. 11, 2006, 12:40 p.m.

          Another thing you haven't mentioned is the fact that in other countries,marijuana has been used for thousands of years.Are all these adverse affects you are claiming only a risk to Americans in this country?Egyptian President Anwar Sadat used cannabis regularly and was even allowed to transport hashish into the US for his personal use.Was he a stupid,uncoordinated "dope" too?

          You would have us believe that if MJ was legalized ,we would turn into a nation of zombies.Does the risk stop the minute you set foot in another country,where even after using it for centuries,they have not had this result?

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            mntnman444

            Dec. 11, 2006, 3:29 p.m.

            And what about our own state of Alaska,where marijuana has been legal since 1975?I havent seen an overwhelming flow of reports from there in the last 30 yrs describing all the problems you say will occur.Most people arent even aware that it's legal there,so do all these proclaimed negative effects only occur in the continental US?
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        mntnman444

        Dec. 10, 2006, 4:59 p.m.

        Not according to the National Academy of Sciences.

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          mntnman444

          Dec. 11, 2006, 11:55 a.m.

          NIDA is a buracracy of the federal govt that is responsible for spreading many of the lies that have already been disproven.

          One example of how they operate-In the 80's they conducted a poll of gay people in which 97% of respondants admitted using marijuana.The head of NIDA called a press conference to anounce that since most gays used marijuana,and since AIDS was a "gay" disease,NIDA had determined that marijuana causes AIDS.

          The NAS is a non-partison group consisting of the top scientists in the country.In their conclusion of the report Marijuana and Health they stated marijuana,with some people,at least under certain conditions,MAY be a health hazard.Pretty concrete stuff huh?The NAS went on to say that the health risks did not justify total prohibition and recommended regulation (legalization) as the best policy to control marijuana.After requesting this study at taxpayers expense,Reagan tried to stop publication of the study.
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          mntnman444

          Dec. 10, 2006, 10:36 p.m.

          Marijuana,in it's natural form,is one of the safest theraputical substances known to man.

          -Judge Francis Young's finding of FACT for the DEA.
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      m-simon

      Dec. 10, 2006, 3:35 p.m.

      Clickable link to LEAP here:

      http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/03/interv

      and another reason:

      http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/10/war-on

      http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/09/addict

      Drug company profits.
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    jordan11

    Dec. 10, 2006, 2:12 a.m.

    his guy's credits include articles promoting LSD and peyote, articles with space aliens and govt. conspiracies. I think I'll investigate a little further before I repopulate my 300 acre poppy field with hemp.>>>>

    I wish you, and millions of others WOULD educate yourself on Hemp. It's an amazing plant! My god, it can make non toxic paints, paper, clothing, etc etc etc etc etc.....How long does it take for people to get educated on this? It's frustrating as hell! Do you realize the forests that could be saved with this renewable product? It even makes food high in oils that are good for people! And it's frustrating that the country doesn't do the intelligent thing, and raise it, because so many are easy targets for rich propagandists who don't want to lose their bottom lines! People who choose ignorance are bad for America!

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      mntnman444

      Dec. 10, 2006, 3:35 p.m.

      The D.A.R.E Program is a good example

      It is completely ineffective and teaches children to turn their parents in to police.

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        mntnman444

        Dec. 10, 2006, 4:15 p.m.

        I remember when I was a kid asking my Dad why Russia was so bad.One of the things he told me was that in Russia,the govt had neighbors spy on neighbors and kids spy on their parents.
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        tsteele93

        Dec. 10, 2006, 5:23 p.m.

        Actually, I think you are both referring to something much like Nazi Germany as well.
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      mntnman444

      Dec. 10, 2006, 5 p.m.

      Hemp contains NO psycoactive properties, so what are you talking about mental disorders?

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        mntnman444

        Dec. 10, 2006, 5:12 p.m.

        Hemp is not marijuana.

        Do you work for the DEA? We're not buying that claim anymore.

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          mntnman444

          Dec. 10, 2006, 10:08 p.m.

          legal hemp contains .03% THC no where near enought to have intoxicating effects no matter how much was consumed.

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            mntnman444

            Dec. 11, 2006, 2:04 a.m.

            Hemp is cannabis ruderalis,marijuana is cannabis sativa or cannabis indica.

            Like I said,the difference between California poppies and opium poppies.

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              mntnman444

              Dec. 11, 2006, 12:02 p.m.

              Australia is under much pressure from our govt to make sure hemp fails there.I believe it can only be grown in an area near Tasmania under severe climate conditions.Maybe we should look closer to home in Canada where the industry has grown at a very fast pace partially because of help from the Canadian govt.What you are trying to convince us of is that a plant that was the worlds largest industry at one time cannot succeed today with all the new technology that wasnt around then.Did you also find the fact that in the 1800's Australia survived a famine by utilizing the most healthy plant in the world-hemp?
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    Beau7890

    Dec. 10, 2006, 2:19 a.m.

    lol, jon.

    It was an excellent article explaining the myriad uses of hemp. Sure, the plant is the same as what they call marijuana. But marijuana is grown for smoking, and bred to have higher THC content than industrial hemp.

    btw, I loved the Ezekiel quote, but I think he got the hunger thing backwards.

    What do I have in the fridge?
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  misanoel

  Dec. 10, 2006, midnight

  My concern is that, when/if it's legalized, government and industry will find a way to ruin it. We should be careful what we wish for.

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    super-sunshine

    Dec. 10, 2006, 12:59 p.m.

    your right.... The big Corps will not leave it in its natural state.... They will change it and alter it so that it is no longer what it was... a Great Plant with lots of potential... but to a freak of nature.... even home growing will get effected as most will get the altered seed from the big corps(es).

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      mntnman444

      Dec. 10, 2006, 1:40 p.m.

      Not as long as I have my sack of seeds!

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        mntnman444

        Dec. 10, 2006, 3:47 p.m.

        Wildwood Weed by Jim Stafford...smile ;-)
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      agsreno

      Dec. 10, 2006, 2:57 p.m.

      just like organic non-GMO produce, Im sure organic pot will be available... Who knows, we could end up with even more pure ganja.
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    tsteele93

    Dec. 10, 2006, 5:25 p.m.

    Ha, what will happen is that a few years down the line people will start suing because they got lung cancer (doesn't matter what kind of smoke you force down your lungs repeatedly, you are going to increase your risk for cancer) and then the big payout suits will take it down.

    Kind of like tobacco now.

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      pervis

      Dec. 10, 2006, 6:20 p.m.

      Is Tobacco still legal? Can I go into almost any corner store and pick up my choice of smokeable or chewable tobacco brands? Is the Gov't still collecting taxes on it? Are BILLIONS still being made all over the world from American tobacco exports?

      I can smoke all the cancer causing agents I want by smoking LEGAL substances. Hemp, pot, whatever you want to call it, shouldn't ever have been made illegal. Prohibition creates criminals. This isn't a health issue, a moral issue, or any other kind of issue; it is a freedom issue.

      This is supposedly the most free place on earth.As long as the, 'REAL' criminals are being dealth with, why can't we live and let live? We all have to find our own way.

      What If we made Tobacco illegal? Well, people that live near industrialized areas would be getting sicker than people in rural areas. I think that people suing others for their own actions is reprehensible and immoral. Like when a gun manufacturer is found responsible for another's murder.
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  mntnman444

  Dec. 10, 2006, 12:13 a.m.

  A very good assessment of the 3 main strategies for controlling drugs is the National Academy of Sciences report An Analysis of Marijuana Policy.You can see the whole report on the druglibrary site I gave the link for.
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  Allthere

  Dec. 10, 2006, 1:08 a.m.

  Whats new about the US. We the people do not run this country. We have all been pacified by the LAW! The US has the most citizens in jail then any other country. New World Order or what? I could go on but the american people need to be like the hippies of the sixties and protest at a national level. Not meaning to do the love peace thing, but to be organized with the uncontrolable numbers that the Gov. can't control to change our, thats right its our government. If this doesn't happen soon, kiss your liberty good bye.

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 4:03 p.m.

    The National Council of Churches supports legalization and currently the MPP is reaching out to other religious organizations for support.In Nevada in the last election the attempt to legalize was supported by the local clergy.
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  Taganan

  Dec. 10, 2006, 1:26 a.m.

  There exist varieties of hemp that are low in THC and are unsuitable for smoking. If they are not low enough, then breeding or genetic engineering could eliminate the THC content without destroying the good qualities of the plant.

  Hemp with THC should be classified as a medicine available by prescription only. I do not favor allowing unlimited use.

  The problem is similar to that with other laws. Black currants are illegal in some states because they spread pine rust. There are black currants that have been bred not to spread the rust, yet they are illegal simply for being black currants. A THC-free hemp would still be classed as an illegal drug plant even without any trace of the drug. Once on the books laws seldom change without a major legal battle.

  Grow some THC-free hemp, get a multi-millionaire to back you in court and make the government look foolish for banning a plant that you can't possibly get high on.

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    jordan11

    Dec. 10, 2006, 2:15 a.m.

    Hemp with THC should be classified as a medicine available by prescription only. I do not favor allowing unlimited use.>>>>>

    Oh, you don't huh? Well I don't favor tobacco or alcohol, and I should damn well have my way at having them banned. And I'll betcha I could put the damage of those drugs next to pot, & you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

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      ratoncitaverde

      Dec. 10, 2006, 12:08 p.m.

      precisely
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      mntnman444

      Dec. 10, 2006, 5:02 p.m.

      Halko

      you are talking out of your a$$

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        mntnman444

        Dec. 10, 2006, 5:35 p.m.

        One word...VAPORIZER...problem solved...next?

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          mntnman444

          Dec. 10, 2006, 10:09 p.m.

          NO ,hemp does not change your mental state at all.
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        mntnman444

        Dec. 10, 2006, 10:12 p.m.

        Of course I disagree...you havent read the facts I've posted.Provide one study that concludes that there is any comparison to tobbacco smoke.Just make sure you read the NAS report first..you know,the largest study ever done that says there's NO comparison.

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          mntnman444

          Dec. 10, 2006, 10:44 p.m.

          In practical terms,marijuana can not induce a lethal response as a result of drug related toxicity.

          In strict medical terms,marijuana is safer than many of the foods we commonly consume,for example,eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response.By comparison,it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death

          -Judge Young's finding of FACT for the DEA.
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          mntnman444

          Dec. 10, 2006, 10:46 p.m.

          try the druglibrary link on the first page.Look at the table of contents and take about 2 yrs to read through all of it.

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            mntnman444

            Dec. 10, 2006, 10:51 p.m.

            You should also see Judge Youngs findings on the same site.
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    ind06

    Dec. 10, 2006, 3:45 a.m.

    LOL

    My mom just turned my old shirts into dust rags.
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  mntnman444

  Dec. 10, 2006, 1:39 a.m.

  The Canadians are already growing hemp.Farmers must follow strict guidelines including a criminal background check and documenting all sales as well as regular tests for THC content which I believe is something like .003%

  I posted a story about N Dakota legalizing it that describes the requirements.
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  spectrum

  Dec. 10, 2006, 5:52 a.m.

  Good argument. Unfortunately the points you made are the very reasons that the mj laws will never be significantly altered. The power structure is far to strong to ever acquiesce. You will turn into an old man like me waiting for legalization.

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, noon

    Have faith...there are higher powers at work on this ,not that the peoples wants are the reason but there is plenty of action going on behind the scenes,especially from conservatives,Rep.Ron Paul(R) TX for one example.
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  samsara15

  Dec. 10, 2006, 9:08 a.m.

  Whatever we wish for, we all should wish the travesty of this failed War on Drugs can be ended. Legalize Drugs? Maybe not, but at least make them a misdemeanor, rather than a felony. Stop filling our prisons with people convicted of victimless crimes.
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  callmeeddy

  Dec. 10, 2006, 9:50 a.m.

  Great article, i hope one day in my lifetime people will come to their senses (hemp illegal in kentucky to even wear?!). I'm trying to imagine a society where hemp would used to its full potential. I wish the female plant didn't even have any drug properties just so people wouldn't be so anal about a harmless plant. Jeeze

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 10:13 p.m.

    Not according to the US Dept of Agriculture.

    See the govt program called Hemp For Victory.
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  jcgodlew

  Dec. 10, 2006, 10:45 a.m.

  I have had first hand experience with what marijuana can do to people. It interacts badly with medication being taken. Its a gateway to other drug use, especially today its mixed with crack and lsd to name a few. It is a leading contributor to death from alcohol poisoning, since it eliminates the gag reflex when a toxic level of alcohol is in the blood. Due to this I firmly believe it also tends to contribute to alcohol addiction in teens, since we all know we get turned off to it, because of puking. To this day I still can't drink scotch, due to an episode in my youth. It affects the individual mentally and surpresses the will to suceed in school, they just rather get high, drunk and party. It does have its medical uses, and for these I feel it should be legalized and controlled for those purposes only.

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    Papiann

    Dec. 10, 2006, 11:19 a.m.

    I certainly agree that drug interactions can range from none to deadly. I take anywhere between eight and ten serious meds per day, and I am forbidden by my doctors to add or delete anything, including OTC concoctions and even vitamin supplements, unless ALL of my many doctors approve. Otherwise, I may end up dead sooner than I would like to be.

    No-one who has a "toxic level" of alcohol should ingest any other substances. Period.

    The contention that marijuana is a "gateway drug" is a totally suprious rationalization used to justify current repressive policies. I note that milk is a gateway drug, since most pot smokers used it at least once.

    There is no excuse for Nanny government.

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      super-sunshine

      Dec. 10, 2006, 1:08 p.m.

      lol milk is a gateway drug.... you maybe starting a new war...

      It is more dangerous then we thought..... Milk.... the other white drug!.... Tell your KIDS.... JUST SAY NO!

      not a bad idea. less phlegm.
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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 11:57 a.m.

    jc

    You are free to have your opinions,but I believe you are wrong.The part that effects us all whether you use it or not is the fact that some states have legalized it because that is what the citizens want overwhelmingly.The federal govt has decided that it knows better than what the people want and is forcing its will on the states by going in and arresting dying people for using their legal medicine and when they get to court,they cant even tell the jury that it was for legal medical purposes.The govt claims that MJ has no medical value.The question of medical value was settled by the DEA's own Judge Francis Young back in '88,it HAS medical value and the govt has known for a long time and is LYING to everyone.This should alarm everyone not just users.
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    ratoncitaverde

    Dec. 10, 2006, 12:17 p.m.

    (especially today its mixed with crack and lsd to name a few)

    lsd cannot be smoked, and would be a total waste of money for whoever planned to mix it with marijuana. anybody who knows anything about drugs would not be stupid enough to do that. and crack? give me a break! pot usually comes in bud form, not dried crushed leaves (most people picture it like oregano but that is innaccurate), or pre rolled. there is no way to MIX crack with pot. you would go "hey, what are those white crack rocks doing in the same bag as my pot????"
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    ratoncitaverde

    Dec. 10, 2006, 12:26 p.m.

    (It is a leading contributor to death from alcohol poisoning, since it eliminates the gag reflex when a toxic level of alcohol is in the blood)

    hahahaaaa..... i mean.... PROVE IT! besides, which drug is really the problem here? isnt it the ALCOHOL that is killing people?? being in college, i am right in the thick of underage drinking and drug use and i have never in my life heard anybody say that smoking pot has kept them from throwing up after drinking too much, nor have i seen this from personal experience. pot is used to treat nausea and keep food down, but alcohol is a toxin directly in your stomach, and pot is not going to keep you from getting rid of it. it has nothing to do with a gag reflex, it helps keep FOOD down because it makes you hungry.
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    crimsonsplendor

    Dec. 10, 2006, 12:48 p.m.

    1) studies have already shown that marijuana is *not* a gateway drug. it simply isn't so.

    2) alcohol is a leading contributor to death from alcohol poisoning. if anything, smoking a blunt when you're wasted is a sure fire way to puke.

    3) our culture of acceptance of alcohol abuse tends to contribute to alcohol addiction in teens.

    4) mary jane has never surpressed the will of anyone to succeed. most of the creative, successful, intelligent people i know smoke on a regular basis.

    5) being a teenager makes kids want to get high, drunk and party instead of doing school work

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      crimsonsplendor

      Dec. 10, 2006, 12:55 p.m.

      and as a side note:

      i have a friend that's an advanced care paramedic, in one of his textbooks while he was in school was a list of the most common drugs (caffiene, alcohol, nicotine, asprin, and thc) and their effects on a developing fetus during pregnancy. guess which was the ONLY one that doesn't have horrible side effects on the fetus? that's right, THC. The only side effects it listed for pot were:

      1) possible disruption of oxygen flow to the baby (in the case that it's smoked)

      2) malnourishment of the fetus if the ingestion of THC led to the mother developing an unhealthy diet.

      and this is the standard university textbook used to educate paramedics and first responders.
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    super-sunshine

    Dec. 10, 2006, 1:05 p.m.

    First it can have bad effects with other drugs... so does booze, cigs and other OCD's. It is not a gateway to other drug use.... People who are going to use hard drugs are going to because it is in their nature.... furthermore, I would think that alchol is by far the biggest gateway to other drug use.

    Anyhow, there is industrial hemp that has great uses, but smoking it isn't one of them.
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    betruthful

    Dec. 10, 2006, 3:05 p.m.

    If anyone takes meds they need to know the effects of mixing anything with their meds. That is a non issue as far as the pot issue is concerned. It is no more a gateway than beer.The only thing that makes pot dangerous is having to get it illegally and maybe meeting actual drug dealers. People should stay away from booze and all drugs but alas they will not.
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  scaramouche

  Dec. 10, 2006, 11:25 a.m.

  Oh, come on, everything boils down to personal responsibility and a good moral compass. Sadly lacking these days. Legalize it and tax the heck out of it. It may help reduce deficit spending... hah!

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    Determine

    Dec. 10, 2006, 12:38 p.m.

    Your right. The use of any substance is in the hands of the user. You can drink a nice aged wiskey, or smoke a nice cigar, and be just fine. It's when you abuse them you find the problems start. We all need to be responsible.........that's all it is. There is nothing wrong with this plant........I think alcohol is the worst "drug" there is........ Ruins the body(and the world, i.e. car wrecks,fights,etc.)in so many ways if abused. That's my thoughts............and I'm not a smoker............I just think to each his own. Oh, btw there was a special on this topic on the 'History Channel' saying some of the things about the government, and it's deceiptive plans, that are in this story.

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      mntnman444

      Dec. 10, 2006, 12:49 p.m.

      Good point

      Everyone should watch "Hooked:Illegal Drugs and How They Got that Way on the History Channel.
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      Changingconstant

      Dec. 10, 2006, 1:15 p.m.

      They also have "The Drug Years" on VH1.
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  mntnman444

  Dec. 10, 2006, 12:18 p.m.

  What really gets me is that if you tell people that the govt lies,they have no problem agreeing,but when it comes to the subject of drugs they act like the govt is above lying and is the all knowing god.The fact is,the govt does lie,they lie constantly...and they are lying about hemp and marijuana.
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  Cragmonte

  Dec. 10, 2006, 12:31 p.m.

  Well, quoting Ezeliel 34:29 seems to contradict the article. Ever heard of the munchies? Maybe the Lord built that in to increase the sales of brownies! The point is that hemp will be in limited use because its by-products (leaves and buds) will be MIS-used. I personally don't want a bunch of stoned drivers... we have enough problem with drunk drivers.}8-)

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 12:55 p.m.

    In studies done by the insurance industry it was determined that people with only THC in their system had a better driving record than those who had nothing in their system.

    The leaves and buds from hemp have NO psycoactive effects.
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  BattleAngel

  Dec. 10, 2006, 12:27 p.m.

  some amazing education, thanks kamo for the article, yet one more skeleton in their closet i guess.

  but I must say, it is really sad to see that people has lost the power to make a difference today, even when it is clearly in the people's favor.

  indeed, if they made such a huge deal out of hemp plant, why don't they do something about the tobacco and alchol industry...
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  woodenleg

  Dec. 10, 2006, 12:29 p.m.

  Not ANOTHER conspiracy. For cryin' out loud if there were as many conspiracies out there as people think, we would all belong to at least one of them. No one has asked me to join ANY conspiracy. Would someone pass the word around, I want to belong to at least ONE!

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 12:31 p.m.

    Do you believe the govt has ever lied about anything?
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    crimsonsplendor

    Dec. 10, 2006, 1:11 p.m.

    documented proof doesn't make a conspiracy. it does, however, expose government corruption and complete policy failure.
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  mntnman444

  Dec. 10, 2006, 12:29 p.m.

  I hope that most can see by now that the word marijuana was made up by the govt to create fear.

  Here is a more recent example-

  In the early 80's,the govt began a new propaganda claim that-it's not your fathers weed anymore.

  they claimed that a new super potent strain,was a completely different drug.They called it Sinsemilla.It was an effort to convince Americans that this strain was 50 times more potent than the weed from the 60's and 70's.

  Heres their wordplay in action again,the word sinsemilla is derived from 2 spanish words...sin,meaning "without" and semilla,meaning "seeds".

  Yes,growers realized that by removing the male plants,the females had more time to mature making them slightly more potent.Are seedless watermelons 50 times more tasty than ones with seeds?Actually I think this kind of twisting the truth is the best way to educate people of the standard govt policy of lying to the people.
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  BattleAngel

  Dec. 10, 2006, 12:32 p.m.

  I totally agree with the point mntnman made, government does lie, and it is a well documented fact that their lies often don't have your interest in mind, here's a link to the famous documentary made on the vaccination scam, educate yourself:

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554679 - The Hidden TruthDawn

  also here the government hoax on the so called AIDS :

  http://www.dark-truth.org/okt20-2006-10.html
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  Cragmonte

  Dec. 10, 2006, 12:35 p.m.

  Excuse me, mntnman, but marijuana is Spanish for Mary Jane, a slang term given by the Hispanic peoples to parts of the hemp plant in use as a recreational drug. As long as hemp has been around, so has its mis-use.

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 12:42 p.m.

    I said sinsemilla

    At the time it was made illegal,the "misuse" you talk about was primarily "use" by mexicans and blacks.The govt estimated that around 50,000 americans (meaning mexicans and blacks) used all illegal drugs combined.Now 70 yrs later the govt estimates that over 100 million have tried MJ and 15 million use it regularly.Is this what we call "success" in a war?

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      crimsonsplendor

      Dec. 10, 2006, 1:16 p.m.

      apparantly it is. don't forget that the american empire (or at least the current administration) is still clinging to the idea that the Iraq war is 'successful'.

      might i be so bold as to suggest that for the government

      'success' = protecting the interests of the wealthy and maintaining the status quo.
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  mntnman444

  Dec. 10, 2006, 12:37 p.m.

  If anyone would like to see a story with a little hope for the future,and a good example of how the DEA continues to lie,please see this story-

  http://politics.netscape.com/story/2006/12/08/ndak
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  ratoncitaverde

  Dec. 10, 2006, 12:40 p.m.

  another part people do not realize, is that (hemp aside) the stronger pot is, the better it is for you. getting high does not adversely affect your health, it is the amount of tar you inhale from smoking plant matter that is bad for you, just like in cigarettes, minus all the wacky extra chemicals. a higher THC content does not mean you get higher, it means you can smoke far less of it, consuming far less tar. back in the day, "they" said that a joint had as much tar as three cigarettes. but now since pot is stronger, they try to say it equals more like 5. this is just plain silly, because the size of the joint never changed. you would now only smoke one joint instead of two or three, actually reducing you tar intake rather than increasing it.

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 12:46 p.m.

    Raton

    I know you're a young person so I'll tell you from experience that todays "chronic" has nothing on Panama Red or Acapulco Gold from the 70's.

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      ratoncitaverde

      Dec. 10, 2006, 12:53 p.m.

      lol.... im sure this is true. my dad said the pot the native americans grew on martha's vineyard in the 70s is better than anything he's seen today, in america atleast. i just have one word... amsterdam, lovely amsterdam! those cannabis cup winners really are amazing.
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  super-sunshine

  Dec. 10, 2006, 12:56 p.m.

  'It's more dangerous than we thought.' That is the scare tactics that we hear from our government and big business.... and so many believe in it. It is more dangerous than they thought.... as it really can make a huge impact against it's rivals.

  I think we should have hemp back. The sad thing is that if it is the recreational end that they pretend to fear so much... there is the male plant (i think, if not it is the female), but none the less it has no recreational benefits: However, it does have All the other benefits known for the plant.

  here is some good website on hemp;

  http://www.andykerr.net/IndustrialHemp/IndustHempP

  http://www.thehia.org/history/history.htm
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  uncleT

  Dec. 10, 2006, 1:03 p.m.

  Is the hemp seed available on the market? I read the article plus reference stories and it looks like a good sub for snacks like sun flower seeds. The coca leaf is also a good source of energy without the side effects of cocaine, but I know you can't get it.

  I think all through history that man's progress in his knowledge has been manipulated by the power base from the ancients, the church, and the industrialists. There are most likely whole fields of earth science to discover or rediscover after the influence of one power base wanes another surges to swing the pendulum back to the center and beyond. The hope is when the pendulum is in the center more fields of study can evolve to offset the extremes of the power elite.

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 1:06 p.m.

    uncle

    Yes hemp seeds are available in the US.

    The problem is that because our govt wont allow the production of the raw material,Americans are forced to pay a ridiculously high price for what is one of the healthiest foods on earth.Another reason all americans should be outraged whether they use the other plant or not.The govt claims they are concerned about it's citezens health yet here is proof that they're not.
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  edgeindianews

  Dec. 10, 2006, 1:03 p.m.

  Kudos..! In INDIAN Mythology Marijuana plant belongs to Lord Shiva The Lord Of Gods. Thus Gods gifted this precious plant to humans with infinite positives infused inside, but we humans being the greatest manupulators and fabricators, propogated negative myth thats mist..!

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    mntnman444

    Dec. 10, 2006, 1:10 p.m.

    edge

    Have you ever heard of Alex White Plume?

    His tribe was forced onto the reservation and promised by the govt complete sovereignty as long as they converted to an agrarian society instead of hunter/gatherers.In the treaty the govt suggested that hemp be their main crop.In 2000,Alex,with tribal leaders permission,planted a crop of hemp.The DEA immediatly invaded tribal land and confiscated his crop.

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