Do No Evil – They're trying to sell us on yet one more "surge" in Iraq, perhaps the one that will break our own backs. What Germany could not do in World War II, what Japan could not do, George Bush has single-handedly nearly accomplished already, the destruction of our armed forces. Send your personal message here and now on Christmas Day.
A surge is just doing more of the same, only harder. What a numbnuts idea. Have they ever heard of throwing good money after bad?
You cannot win an invasion and subsequent occupation. We don't even have a defined target of who we're fighting. The Taliban, the insurgents, the militias, Al Qaieda? Who? If you can't define an enemy, you can't win. Therefore, we should get out NOW.
...and david, lets continue to heap praise on a president who will not even conduct diplomacy with all of Iraq's neighbors, even if just to buy time for the Iraqi government to stand up and perhaps save the lives of more of our brave soldiers.
yes, let's open up talks with a country that believes the holocaust never happened and just had had a conference to perpetuate that idea.
AFAirman
I know the Iranian people; the majority of them do not agree or condone what their crazy president is doing.
(Not too different from us ...)
When Iranians get the opportunity to observe some diplomatic exchanges and they are not pleased with their government's representation, it will only invite more dissent. Just as the college students did when their maniac pres held the conference on the denial of the holocaust.
This idea of avoiding verbal confrontation yet not hesitating to launch a bombing raid on another country is as insane as any other foreign regime out there. Lets call a spade a spade!
A poll taken among M.E. muslims found over 80% believe the holocaust is a huge exageration. The Iranian president was preaching to his choir. We had talks continuesly with the USSR and do so with China and lots of other countries. It is at least as important to talk to potiential enemies as to friends. David Halco needs to relealize that Bush and his corporate masters have no intention of ever really leaving Iraq. They did not invade Iraq for any humane purpose. Read their own words in project for a new American Century and their agenda is clear.
Dave, since we have no real enemy to be seen in Iraq, most of our kids killed over there now are simply targets of snipers, they are just standing in the streets of Iraq helping or taking a break in their job with comrades, then in a tragic instant, their life ends. That's the war we are fighting now, mostly sniper fire from a silent and invisible enemy during the day. The goal of transition of power as you state clearly has been the objective since Saddam(Sunni) was ridden from power, but the Shia Iraqis are letting us down, they don't show up for work sometimes, and it's too hard for forces to accumulate, which a portion are probably killed before they even enlist. If we leave either now or later, al-Quada WILL claim leadership, and we'll have another mess on our hands. The majority of Shia are good people and don't believe in violence, Sunnis are opposite. Guess we have forgotten a past question if Saddam had ties with terrorism or al-Quada, guess we know the answer now.
"It is astonishing to remember that a mere six years ago George Bush campaigned on the accusation that the Clinton administration had let the readiness of our military deteriorate. Today nearly all our military experts, even those speaking at peril to their careers, agree that our armed forces have been broken by the strategically idiotic occupation of Iraq. And yet the Bush administration has now coined a new slogan for "stay the course," in utter and diffident defiance of the will of American people. They are trying to sell us on yet one more "surge" in Iraq, perhaps the one that will finally break our own backs. What Germany could not do in World War II, what Japan could not do, George Bush has singlehandedly nearly accomplished already, the destruction of our armed forces."
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Halko, you continue to wear your blinders and sip your Kool-Aid. You cannot help yourself and fall back into blaming Clinton. Our military was never designed to fight this type of war. Didn't work in Vietnam, didn't work in Lebanon (even under your God R.R.), didn't work at all in Somalia, isn't working in Iraq. If we sit still and don't fight, we lose. Yet you cannot meander blindly through the streets of Baghdad killing everyone who could potentially be the enemy. Even knowing that the battle for the
"hearts and minds" has long been lost.
Now we are trying to prop up a government that without our supervision would probably be just as ruthless as Saddam.
You say this war has not been a blip on our economy. I suggest that trillion dollars could have been used for some much more worthwhile endeavors. And I will remember your statement when they tell me I am not getting my SSI. I also suggest you brush up on your Chinese, could come in handy real soon.
This must stop before it gets worst!
We are in the middle of a civil war that has been fought over hundreds and hundreds of years, with no end in sight!
This guy wants us to dig deeper to get out of the hellhole we are in!
Pure insanity!
Let us declare victory and get out of there on the first train out!!!!!!
We cannot afford the loss of our brave soldiers any more!
The Iraqis that we are training to be policemen and soldiers are turning their guns on each other, and are very close to turning them on us! THIS KIND OF WAR CANNOT BE WON! CHECK ANY ARMY TRAINING MANUAL AND HANDBOOK OF MILIOTARY STRATEGY!
Get our of Dodge!
Impeachment Now, Vigilance Forever!
Peace and Blessings!
Any war that is not in response to an invasion or attack on a nation is an illegal war. Engaging in a war of aggression violates international law and is considered a war crime.
The guidelines that "govern" wars - were recently revisited in the Supreme Court case Hamdan v. Rumsfield.
On June 29, 2006, the Supreme Court decided in Hamdan v. Rumsfield that the Geneva Conventions apply to the United States, which protects the treatment of captured soldiers and in fact makes preemptive war a war crime.
Given Bush's defiance of the Geneva Conventions in the treatment of terror suspects, it is suggested that the "Hamdan v. Rumsfeld ruling by the Supreme Court ... may leave him [Bush] open to prosecution for war crimes."
MY pledge: "I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in his or her campaign."
Sorry, I had to re-post because of spelling errors!
This must stop before it gets worst!
We are in the middle of a civil war that has been fought over hundreds and hundreds of years, with no end in sight!
This guy wants us to dig deeper to get out of the hellhole we are in!
Pure insanity!
Let us declare victory and get out of there on the first train out!!!!!!
We have lost 2980 of our brave soldiers so far; we cannot afford to lose any more!
The Iraqis that we are training to be policemen and soldiers are turning their guns on each other, and are very close to turning them on us! THIS KIND OF WAR CANNOT BE WON! CHECK ANY ARMY TRAINING MANUAL AND HANDBOOK OF MILITARY STRATEGY!
Get out of Dodge!
Impeachment Now, Vigilance Forever!
Peace and Blessings!
If we get out now, as most of us would like, what will be the result? I don't support leaving without a plan in place for the Iraqi people. They have been through too much already. It's unbearable what this administration has done to our friends, to us and the world as a whole. We need a damage control expert, not a politician to handle this matter. I have yet to read any report where a good ending is possible.
Throwing more resources at the problem. Always the choice when you don't know what to do. Will a country that views us as invadors settle down after we send more invaders? We're operating from the paradigm that the problem in Iraq is that we haven't killed enough people to stop the violence.
My issue is that we are still looking at only a military approach and ignoring all non-military options. We'll have as much success with this as the little Dutch boy sticking his finger in the dike had with stopping the water.
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DavidHalko----"making the lives of the boys and girls who died for this cause spent in vein."
Sorry, but it's too late for that. Unfortunately, it's only when our nation realizes that they've died in vain that we can rectify this mess by quitting Iraq. Excuse me, our nation already realize this. It's our leadership who is still in the dark, even though the electorate has sent a strong message.
David you are wasting your breath on these people. Go join the Marines today! Go over there and show these people you are right! This war can and will be won! You can be our Audie Murphy!
" I guess I believe that those who disagree with me are not swine and there is hope for rational discussion."
now that is the way to talk and think. I agree David.
Supported is one thing- getting our children slaughtered daily is another. There are more diplomatic-friendly ways of doing things than an occupation.
It sounds as though a "democrat" in general joins your list of enemies Ike. Did you honestly ever read up on these guys you talk about, like where they came from what they are actually responsible for in this world? Not what has been printed in the newspapers, but what actually happened in the end, the outcome, and the proverbial cookie jar which someone always seems to have their hands in. I just want someone who has interests in helping more of America get ahead like the middle class and below, and leading the world again by example and not catering to big big, BIG and BIGGER business. There are also conventions of war that one can not profit from such declarations on another nation. You have your money approved by congress to end this worthless thing, because unfortunately, I agree this has to be done, and it's to secure our national interest in oil, but someones going to have allot of explaining to do after this is all over, and his name isn't Bill Clinton!
I am actually interested in seeing if we can live as a society that doesn't have to revert to wasting lives and resources and charging it's tax payers the bill in trillions of dollars, especially on things that will not take us into the future. I don't want to be kept in the dark and ruled by big business and lobbyists so someone can have more of my money in kick backs. I want a leader of the world demanding the infusion of technology we actually have that makes us dependent free from foreign crude, and taking us into the future that we deserve. I don't care if he is a Republican or a Dem, but if he separates the nations views like Bush did, he should be impeached just for that alone. Kerry would have been right there too had he been elected. They are the same in my opinion. The question is, where is oil, war and big business billions taking us? ... you and I right to the cleaners pal! Until we BOTH can agree on what is best for the country and come together, we're both screwed.
Maybe I should have said Rove instead, I do think he used tactics to separate the dems and reps for political support during the last elections.
People would call you seriously right, and I seriously left from most of our posts, but yet I think in the end, as we have shown, there lay well beyond an acceptable number of ideas that we both feel ideal in nature, and we are not really so far apart at all. With everything we'll never know about the government, the people have always had that commonality of doing the right thing with the power we bestow by voting. Maybe it's time we both chose a leader who exacts those views that we the people intend.
Hence the bumper sticker from a couple of years back
Sorry to say Dave, but you do the same thing when you refer to Dems as "you" or "those", like democrats for some reason don't like the way you live or are against you? Hmmm no... we are not the enemy just so you know. You are always the first in with fists flying, so your statement here is a bit ironic reading any your other posts. All here have jobs and work hard and see death in war everyday like everyone else and are much like, no I'd say exactly like you, and it's not pretty, and we could be living better than this, and sometimes life could be better don't you think? And it's great that everyone has different ideas, that's how you find great desions.
United We Stand, until then, we're both screwed.
Well said... you got my vote.
You are absolutely right.
The Iraqis will have to pay for our mistakes.
If the head choppers kill less than two million we can count our exit as a success. If Iran takes over Iraq all the better.
At least none of our volunteers will be dying.
Abandoning our Iraqi allies will show the world American moral strength and the value of our promises. Our stature in the world will rise. Our enemies will be deterred.
The benefits are almost incalculable.
It's too late to worry about the ones that have been killed there, although none should have been as they shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Bring our Americans home NOW!
Hurry up 2008!
David,
the one who bears all the guilt for this useless loss of young men and women is our exalted Decider!
Japan attacked our country- can a moron like you understand that Iraq never attacked us, never had the ability to attack us and never wanted to attack us. Name one way Clinton was corrupt with no B.J. crap. Thank God idiot,cowards like you are a tiny minority. Go pick up the Bush twins, Cheneys kids etc. etc. etc. and go to Iraq. How many little countries do we need to invade before your cowardly need for manliness is met? Grenada,Panama,Columbia,Viet Nam,Nigaraqua,Bosnia,Iraq NONE of these countries attacked us. You are a corporate dupe.
funny that most of the conflicts listed there were either started, escalated to orchestrated by democrats. Iraq would have been invaded by BC if he had followed up on th UN mandate.
au contraire tonyh,
The ground work for sending Americans into S Vietnam was laid by DD Eisenhower, and as he was leaving office he told JFK that he would have to start sending troops into S Vietnam.
Look it up, do some research!
It wasn't an 'opinion' of Eisenhower's that JFK should send troops into Vietnam, there was basically that there was no choice as Eisenhower had already made the determination that we would fight communism in S Vietnam.
Kennedy did not chose the path, it was chosen for him long before he was ever elected.
It was the wrong path, more than one hundred thousand lives lost, the war was lost and to date there are still hundreds of thousands of disabled Vietnam vets, struggling to survive for nothing, NOTHING!
My husband was a Nam vet, you can't tell me about Vietnam and whether it was right or wrong.
The point is we lost that war. S Vietnam was still taken over by communists and is to date a communist country.
I agree that any child saved is important, but at what cost to our native Americans, some no more than kids?
Do you think it is the job of Americans to save every nation on the earth to the tune of hundreds of thousands of lost American lives, most of them no older than 18, mere children themselves?
It's easy to sit at your computer and support the death of thousands of Americans, support them coming home mangled to the point of not being able to have a productive life, and support presidents who sanction it. Have you ever been in a war, have you ever had kids, brothers or sisters in a war. It destroys the psyche and changes them forever. They are never the same again.
Lord, forgive me if i am wrong! I don't think it is the job of the US to take on everyone's fight in the world.
our nation already realize this.
Exactly how do you come to that conclusion?
That was an idiotic statement.
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