Do No Evil – Belief in God is nothing but a silly superstition, and this superstition leads a significant portion of the population to be completely delusional. Since we are human beings living in the 21st century, we should take the time to look at some data. That is what we are doing when we ask, "Why won't God heal amputees?"
If it is so obvious that God is imaginary, then why might half of the American population profess belief in God?
There are two main reasons why humans fabricate all of our religions:
1. People invent God as a way to cope with death. Many humans are terrified by death for some reason. They invent religion as a way to deal with their terror.
2. People invent God as a proxy for goodness. People want a way to promote "goodness" and eliminate "evil" in their societies. In the past, inventing an imaginary God has been perceived to be one way to facilitate that process.
Death and goodness are important to people. They touch on fundamental human emotions. If we can separate death and goodness from the mythology of God so that we can understand them and work with them in a positive way, we can actually do something very helpful. We can create a rational world for ourselves that is focused on benefiting mankind.
As discussed above, amputees are fascinating. The thing that makes the situation with amputees so interesting is the fact that God treats amputees in such a consistent way. God never answers the prayers of amputees to restore their lost limbs. It is not like God occasionally regenerates a leg. God never regenerates legs spontaneously, even though he clearly has promised to do so in the Bible and has the omnipotent ability to do so.
Consistency is key. When we see that God CONSISTENTLY ignores the prayers of amputees, it is an important piece of data.
First, the evidence with amputees suggests that God does not answer any medical prayers at all. It is not just that God ignores amputees. It is that God ignores every medical prayer. Amputees suggest that all medical miracles are an illusion.
Second, the evidence suggests that you already know this. Furthermore, you are acting on that knowledge every day.
Ricky,
It seems to me these are basically bronze age myths that may have suited man at that time. Why anyone would choose to believe in Jehovah, Zeus, or Apsu, Tiamat etc. today, I don't know. There is plenty of reasons why you are told to believe
these things though and none are altruistic.
Think of all the wars that wouldn't have been if there was no "My imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend."
I don't object to the idea that matter and energy may have had a creator, though there is no evidence one way or the other. The Ideas of the past however are best left in the past.
Dunno, I personally connect with the idea of getting raped and plundered by a giant bull. It's kinky.
Okay, wow. You should read 'Women on Top' by Nancy Friday. Very interesting book about women and their sexual fantasies. Who knew that chicks could be so kinky?
This is no ordinary chick
Hey, good by me. Where the hell was SHE when I was growing up in the wilds of Nebraska. Here, kinky is a guy who talks to his sheep before sex. LOL>
Nebraska home of the Bible Thumping Championship, well, I guess I should be HAPPY you only believe in the Einsteinian God. :)
Sad but true.
GUFFAW! I just read this thread. Apparently, if you think chicks are never kinky, you don't know my friends and I. HBO's "Real Sex" ain't got nothin' on our conversations.
Seriously, why the hell am I single? *shameless plug*
And I'm from Kentucky originally (ya know, the *jelly*) so I understand the bible thumpers. I've got the bruises to proove it.
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Is God real, or is he imaginary? It is one of the most important questions in America today, because this question lies at the heart of the American culture wars.
If God is real and if God inspired the Bible, then we should worship God as the Bible demands. We should certainly post the Ten Commandments in our courthouses and shopping centers, put "In God We Trust" on the money, pray in our schools and eliminate the theory of evolution from every curriculum. We should focus our society on God and his infallible Word because our everlasting souls hang in the balance.
Simply think about the world around you. First, if there were conclusive statistical evidence that God answers prayers, that would provide scientific evidence that God exists.
http://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com/evidence.htm
If you are a Christian, you are extremely familiar with "God's plan." This is a way that Christians traditionally explain things like amputations, cancer, hurricanes and car accidents.
If you think about this for a few moments, you will begin to realize how impossible "God's plan" is. If the concept of "God's plan" is true, you can first of all see that God wants us to be aborting children. Every single abortion is planned by God, so God must be doing it for a reason. Second, you can see that both the mother who requests the abortion and the doctor who performs it are blameless. Since it is God who planned the abortion of the child (God chose when), the mother and doctor are simply puppets who are fulfilling God's plan. You can also see that all the Christians who are fighting against abortion are missing the point. They are actually fighting against God's plan, and their fight is completely futile.
http://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com/gods-plan...
Ricky, No GOD has given us a CHOICE! We as men and women live in a fallen world stemming from Adam and Eve. GOD gave Satan a CHOICE along with the angels and Satan chose to believe he was stronger than GOD and was promtly thrown out of heaven along with 1/3 of the angels that believed in Satan. MAN has made the CHOICE to allow abortions NOT GOD! I do know that GOD exists, I have been un-employed for 4 months and thru prayer GOD has given me the money to feed my family, keep a roof over my head and be able to pay my bills. I may be living a frugal life but my family and I are not without anything.
God is almighty. He sees all, he knows all and he can create/destroy whaterver he wants.
If this is true, then man can't have a choice because God already knows what you and I are going to do in our life.
If man does have a choice, then God is not allknowing like the bible discripes him.
Also, what kind of personality requires a person to worship him or her? If god exists and is as great as believers say then god would require no worship only that we are kind to others, including those we do not value, and place their well being above our desires because we are moral beings.
But, it seems that either god does not exist or if he or she does then god is no better than Stalin because everything is about him or her and does nothing to stop our bad behavior expecially when committed in his or her name.
Hang in there buddy! It's just something to think about, if you are happy with God, then don't listen to my message. Some people find happiness in knowing that they control their OWN destiny. (Message me if you want, I too was unemployed for a while, if you want to talk about it)
Niceties aside...
First, where did Cain's wife (in Genesis 4:17) come from? The book of Genesis never says God created her from scratch, as He did Adam and Eve, so we must assume Cain's wife was a daughter of Adam and Eve; i.e., Cain's sister. Apparently, a literal reading of Genesis indicates there was incest in the garden of Eden. And quite a lot of it, too: if all humans descended from Adam and Eve, then ALL of their grandchildren would have been the product of brother-sister incest.
Second, what should we make of Lamesh (in Genesis 4:19) who had TWO wives and had children by both of them? Apparently, God was OK with both incest and polygamy.
Third, given that God was apparently OK with sexual behaviors that virtually any Christian today would say are sinful (and the above are just two of many examples), then exactly what support is there for Christians who claim that the Bible provides an "absolute" moral code?
http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=169
The choice to abort is forced by the anti-abortion forces because they deny access to contraception, including morning-after drugs.
God supposedly created the universe and satan yet satan thinking he was stronger than god was a threat? Come on, that's just plain goofy. Something only kids would accept, or primitive people.
Well put like a good little Moose-Limb! If you think about this for a few moments, you might realize what a loser you are for spending so much time typing posts on Netscape. As for me, I have a life and things to do. C-ya!
Science has no way to prove or disprove the existance of God. However among Scientests involved in Quantum Physics many have returned to religion, do they perhaps think they see the hand of god on the subatomic level?
People of faith tend to have a high level of Synchronicity in their lives, spontanious remission of disease is not uncommon.
Why won't god help amputees? that would eleminate the need for faith in the world because if limbs started appearing out of nowhere the existance of God would be known. There is also the question of how much those that pray for things have faith in God to deliver. How many people, if quiried about it, could say with absolute faith that god was going to give them their lets back?
Interesting thoughts. Healing, too, could be subjective in religious understanding. A lot of times when faith is said to "heal" us or "answer our prayers", we humans assume it refers to material rewards. I'll get physically well. I'll win the lottery and pay my bills. But healing and faith has a lot more to do with our internal wellness, our worries, our fears, our resolve, determination, acceptance, etc. Perhaps faith is more about one healing from the inside out, and then the scientific/medical results, either good or bad, aren't as terrible to handle. Perhaps? I speak theoretically. I've had close family members deal with severe sickness but never myself. Perhaps I'd be a wimp if I ever got extremely sick, dunno.
"There is also the question of how much those that pray for things have faith in God to deliver."
Jesus said that anything asked for in His name, we shall have. There were no caveats in that statement; no conditions of having x-amount of faith.
And aren't amputations generally due to some illness or accident that makes an amputation necessary? So how can you say for sure God didn't cure the amputee with the amputation that let them live because of it. What I'm saying is the amputation may have been the cure for some people that allows them to survive. Personally, and of course this is just my faith, and my belief, but I think God saved me from a serious illness, I was told I had less then 2 weeks to live, and that I needed two surgeries if I had any chance at all, and even that chance was less than 5% that I'd survive both of the surgeries, but I put my faith in God, prayed, and accepted that whatever happened was God's will, and here I am typing this three years after the surgeries, and doing just fine. Even all my Drs. tell me it had to be God, because even with all the technology available to them, there is no way they could have saved me, it had to be God. But then maybe I, and my doctors, are all delusional right?
But in my opinion, if I am delusional, this is one delusion I'll stick with, since without it I'd have been dead a few years ago, so I'll just go on with my delusion God let me live, since I'm alive to have this delusion. Given the choice, I'll choose God, and if people think that makes me delusional, so be it, if there really is a God, as I believe, they can explain to God why they refused to believe when the time comes, and if I'm wrong, no harm, no foul, but since I"m sure I"m right, well I'll be on good terms with God when I do die.. I'll stick with being delusional.
One other thing I find rather interesting is how much time people that say they don't believe in God spend talking about God not being real. Do those of you that don't believe in God spend as much time discussing, or trying to prove Satan isn't real, or that alien life on other planets does, or doesn't exist? It's just a bit odd that you just don't ignore what you don't believe in, but have some need to try to convince others that do believe that they are wrong, if you truly don't believe, why not just leave it alone? It brings to mind "thou protest too much" and just what is the reason for that, for discussing something you don't believe in or care about? It really makes me wonder how much faith you have in your opinion, what drives you to post and comment so much on these is there a God stories? Sure is a lot of attention to pay to something you don't beleive in, very strange indeed.
I'm actually trying to help folks who are disillusioned with their current position. You seem happy the way you are, maybe you should just put me on block..
Do you have a science link in mind? Or a Church Group?
Try any of these top five science links. You will find a slightly different take on things. 90 percent of scientists do not believe in God.
Paul Myers, a biologist at the University of Minnesota, Morris, puts his top rank down to "tapping into the broader areas of liberal politics and atheism" and a rich vein of "resentment against the reactionary religious nature of American culture". Scientists can easily translate their expertise into blog posts, adds Myers. "Sometimes, I just summarize some basic concepts as I would in the classroom." But you are certain to fail if you write as if for a peer-reviewed journal. "It doesn't work on the web," says Myers. "A blog's more like the conversation you'd have at the bar after a scientific meeting."
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v442/n7098...
"90 percent of scientists do not believe in God"
Of course not...They only focus on things that can be proven or seen...Faith is really the opposite of science...It's believing without seeing or proving some hypothesis...Actually, the Bible is the proof that God exists and is perhaps THE BEST SELF-HELP book there is out there right now...Perhaps, God doesn't want us to find tangeable evidence that he exists...If we did, would that really be faith ? ANd what are miracles to you ? Just mere coincidence? How can that be when a doc tells you you only have 3 days to live and somehow, your brain tumor shrinks to the size of a pea and is no longer a threat? How come there is only male and females ? Why not a third gender, why only 2? Why can only women carry babies to birth and not men ? Something or someone had to map this thing out...It's just too perfect.
You go on believing that you make your own destiny...I'm taking my chances with my Father...
Stars are not spread uniformly across the universe, but are normally grouped into galaxies along with interstellar gas and dust. A typical galaxy contains hundreds of billions of stars, and there are more than 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe. While it is often believed that stars only exist within galaxies, intergalactic stars have been discovered.
Astronomers estimate that there are at least 70 sextillion (10 to the 22nd power) stars in the observable universe. That is 230 billion times as many as the 300 billion in the Milky Way.
Many stars are between 1 billion and 10 billion years old. Some stars may even be close to 13.7 billion years old; the observed age of the universe. The oldest star yet discovered, is an estimated 13.2 billion years old.
The more massive the star, the shorter its lifespan, primarily because massive stars have greater pressure on their cores, causing them to burn hydrogen more rapidly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star
Help who Ricky? You don't even understand life. How can you pursue others to help if you don't know where you are from or where you are going.
If I understand you correctly; you do not think there is a God. But you can't be 100% sure. Yet, you are certain in your mind there is none. Yet, your arguments add nothing to lead anyone to that conclusion. They are just words meant to convince them by your line of thinking. This is not a debate nor is it finding facts or giving evidence. You deny many facts that tend to make me think you are really a fringe player.
1. You say God and evil do NOT exist. That is not rational.
2. You imply there is a God in your original input and say he doesn't heal amputees. Adding that if he does exist he is like Stalin in one post. What was Stalin like. Couldn't be evil, it doesn't exist in your world.
3.You use insults for people people you don't agree with: Are you a FAT Chick because you are a Broad LAY???
4. You do not respect anyone or their respective points of view. You wish them come to your conclusions. Why? If you were factual and listened you would be received more readily.
5. You are sooo virulent in your position without one piece of viable evidence to support your broad and arrogant claims.
6. You tend to be angry. Anger tends to saying things that can't be logically followed. More an emotional and rash spouting.
Like saying there are no bears in the woods because when you were out there you never saw one, or evidence of any such thing. Doesn't mean one who did see one is not telling the truth.
I guess that's part of my question, why do you, and btw, this wasn't just directed at you Ricky, I see a lot of this type of post, but a lot of different people, but then my question is, why do you, or the others, think they need to help other people with their belief system? If I came in and preached God is real, God is good, all the time many of you, maybe not you, but lot of people that post these would come in comment, try to convince others there is no God, and tell me that I shouldn't be trying to force my religion on others. So I just don't get why there seem to be so many that feel a need to convince those that do believe in God just how wrong they are? Is there really that big a problem with freedom of choice? And isn't freedom of religion a good thing? Also, why don't I see many stories, and comments, trying to convince people that Muhammad (sp?) was all wrong? That their beliefs are delusional? Just things I'm curious about, not directed at you personally Ricky.
and just below I see a little flaw in logic Ricky, where did God say limbs would be regenerated, God promised to heal, and are the amputees not healed by the amputation?
The point is, no miracle has ever happened in the history of the universe. No prayer has ever been answered in the history of man. No proof of faith healing or superstition or horoscopes or magic or any of the stuff you believe in has ever really happened. If you believe otherwise, it is simply that, a construct of your own mind.
By the way, I offer 1 million dollars to anyone who can prove that their prayers work, or can perform ANY psychic activity.
"The Amazing Randi, is a stage magician and scientific skeptic best known as a debunker of pseudoscience. Born Randall James Hamilton Zwinge, in Toronto, Canada, Randi is the creator of the James Randi Educational Foundation's million dollar challenge offering a prize of US$1,000,000 to anyone who can demonstrate evidence of any paranormal, supernatural or occult power or event, under test conditions agreed to by both parties. He is occasionally featured on Penn & Teller."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi
It's not about the good stuff in the bible like the golden rule, which I, of course think is just dandy.
It's about the Pat Robertson's, the Pope's, the Haggards, the Inhofe's, and others who think that Christianity is destined to conquer the Globe. I am doing my small part to protect my future from (well-meaning?)Christians who would like to control women's bodies, destroy the middle east, oppress minorities, and stifle science like evolution, and medical advances like stem cell research.
Good point about Fundamentalist Islam, and yes, it is almost as dangerous to mankind as Fundamentalist Christianity.
You mean MORE dangerous to mankind. Where on earth TODAY are any fundamentalist Christians murdering innocents in the name of "allah" as are the moose-limbs? Exactly. Nowhere. And as for your comment on Christians wanting to destroy the Middle East, even if that were so it would pale in comparison to their desire since the time of Mohammed to wipe out all non-moose-limbs who won't convert. It was dictated by Usama who succeeded Mohammed that all "non-believers" (in Islam) die as their "faith" is "forwarded at the tip of a sword". The Crusades were commenced to prevent that scourge from overrunning Europe, but look what those idiots have allowed to happen there today, in the name of cheap labor. They're worse off than we are here in some countries like France. Of course, we're not far behind.
Fundamentalist Christians have murdered doctors working at abortion clinics. Without the presence of moderate Christians, this would be completely intolerable.
I like you already!
XXanyone, yes, there have been such incidents but thankfully in this country they are relatively few and far between. In Muslim countries which have Sharia law it is the norm. In my more paranoid moments I sometimes suspect the fundies in our country would like to enforce Sharia law or its equivalent, but again, thankfully it hasn't happened. yet.
The Supreme Court had NO authority to authorize 1st degree pre-meditated murder. States, if they want can and really should ignore that. The rights to life of the child to be born are thrown out. Then they say they aren't human beings yet and don't have Constitutional rights. They also had no authority per the Constitution to put George Bush in the Presidency. The Constitution is not in effect nor is it working today. It is not viewed as authoritative.The reason they do away with it is that it says we can go to war with our government when these rights written there are abrogated by our government. Think! You've not been protected by it. Look at what banks, government officials, The President, Congress etc,etc,etc..have done. Doctors have murdered children by the millions. The woman and the doctor involved commit murder. What about the dead children whose remains are treated as garbage!!!
Those children and those to come are without a voice. They are human beings, people like you and me. Living creatures without one to care for them or protect from such evil barbaric carnage. Why do Women not voice concern for this nor those in government. Mass murder at the highest level. Who speaks for them. What will these children say in time to come. Does anyone really care about right and wrong. No, not one. Depraved creatures leading the depraved for their own ends. God cares and notes each one who is murdered. Justice for them is abrogated and cast aside. But, they will not be forgotten. No, not one! If you wish to be just; be just in the whole of all the matters at hand!
Because there are so many more who feel the need to thump people over the head with "their bible". I can accept the whole faith thing, but I prefer to have faith in things that are real. Like, I have faith that RickyDawkins truly feels the way he does by the way he expresses himself in his posts.
True freedom is the lucky privilege to believe in god or the crab people, but if someone listens to your spiel and then tells you they are not interested, it should be left at that.
Everything you see shall pass away, what is unseen shall last.
Zaph, that is a question I have also raised myself. Why the need to convert others? Why do we all have to think the same?! But Ricky says he is doing it to help those who are trying to escape from a worldview is not working for them. God bless him, he sure is putting a lot of energy into it. :)
It is unfortunate that blindness is so severe these days. But it isn't man fighting evil here. Man has never fought evil as is evidenced by each of you. You embrace it. Because it is what you are from. Nor is it man who came up with seeking the lost. It is God himself. He is seeking His own. I don't force my belief on any. I tell the truth according to what I am given. You don't even know what you speak of or whom is involved other than what you see. You don't receive the Word because He has no place in you. However, it is the truth. You will find that all the Words of God will stand. Woe to him that stumbles on it, but some, it will grind you to powder. From Cain who murdered his brother to now it remains. Mockery of God's way. Yet this mockery will not be eternal. Your little nest egg Earth is doomed to destruction, as is all the pernicious ways upon it. Like it or not, there is a God, and He calls you to repent ---or perish. Revelation 22.
Science proves again and again in thousands of experiments there is no supernatural anything. If you are tired of nonsence, then stop spewing nonsence. Read about the hundreds of double blind experiments proving prayer doesn't work.
God doesn't heal, cookie monster doesn't heal, because there is no god, and there is no cookie monster. No evidence for an absurdity means the absurdity doesn't exist. I don't have to disprove an absurdity.
And by the way, physicists have NOT turned to god. There may be one or two, but for every one who imbraces the ignorance of faith, there are hundreds of scientists who understand the truth and are enlightened to the fact that religion is a complete fairy tale, told by and for idiots.
Science by definition can neither prove nor disprove the "supernatural" since science only deals with the natural world.
You are all so much proof of the Eternal Existence of God and His Omnipotence. He said,"The preaching of the Cross is foolishness to them that believe not, to them that believe, it is the power of God to salvation." His wrath abides on unbelief. He hardens the unbeliever so he can't believe. If your light be darkness, How great is that darkness. You have your light, if your are satisfied it will lead to peace and salvation, fine. If it isn't on the foundation of God's word, you are deceived and are in a house built on sand.
You each who support such a foolish way show how inescapable the judgement of God is. He will have His way and His counsel shall stand. Yours, shall fall. How great a fall it shall be.
If GOD did not exist, then Israel would not have existed until today. If you don't believe that prayers work, and miracles don't happen, then what about the 6-day war?
To defeat such an enormous threat alone would be impossible, yet alone do it in 6 days.
When you pray, GOD has the right to accept or decline our wishes in our prayers. But prayer does help and some do get answered.
Also, what do you think about Voltaire and his famous last words?
Thanks for the time to read.
People who have a "high level of Synchronicity" are normally people who don't have high levels of stress in their lives, I would say the lack of stress is the cause of "spontanious remission of disease" since high levels of stress can cause all sorts of problems in any human.
Heres a comparison for you... science has no way to prove or disprove the invisible pink unicorn exists. (http://ww...">http://www.invisiblepinkunicorn.com/)">(http://...
And finally, you say the reason for god not helping amputees, "would eleminate the need for faith in the world because if limbs started appearing out of nowhere the existance of God would be known" is this a fact? does it say it in your bible? or is it just your opinion? You make it sound like your "God" must remain mysterious, and leave people guessing. Plus, it doesn't matter how many people could say with absolute faith or as a fact "god" is going to give their limbs back, because it has never happened and never will.