The Latest Hate the Troops Rant from Lefty Bigot Ted Rall »
Posted By bobo-in-texas 11 months, 2 weeks ago in NewsIn the immortal words of Ted Rall, "HEY, SOLDIERS: QUIT WHINING! If not for you, there wouldn't be a war in the first place."
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Goppy11 months, 2 weeks ago
To quote a pundit right here on Propeller - commonly known as Neo-Con Central - this fellow, BoBo in Texas encapsulated his thoughts in a similar sityation.
"It's called the 1st Amendment."
Just as it is our Neo-Conservative 1st amendment right under the Constitution to try to SHUT UP ALL THEM LEFTIES WE HATE!!
Course, when we try to do it through threats of violence - which is the way we Christian Conservatives prefer - that don't seem to be covered by the 1st Amendment.
BUT WEARE WORKIN ON IT!!!
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
Well Darth, Rall is only wrong in that he doesn't recognize that a majority of our troops are AGAINST bushies silly war and that many of them fight against it.
Those who bray loudly while hiding behind "support the troops" are the biggest cowards and traitors in america.
Iraq Veterans Against the War
IVAW to Show Military Opposition to the Iraq War on October 27
If you are a soldier or veteran who has served on active duty or in the Reserves or National Guard
since 9/11, and you are frustrated and angry with the way our military has been used and abused to wage an occupation against the people of Iraq, then know that you are not alone. On October 27th, veterans, soldiers, and citizens will gather in 11 cities around this country in a national expression of the breadth and depth of antiwar sentiment in this nation....
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bobo-in-texas11 months, 2 weeks ago
Goopster, you need to quit mixing the painkillers with the Old Milwaukee after work. It clouds your otherwise questionable judgement.
That said, you seem to be the only one calling for censorship of Rall. I seek only to expose, mock and, if possible embarass him.
I think that you are mistakenly assigning threats of violence with the purpose of silencing critics to the Christian Conservatives. That's not their style. That's the specialty of your Muslim friends from The Religion of Peace.
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decipher11 months, 2 weeks ago
bobo, don't you dare suggest that i (a liberal) or any other liberal, except for the idiot who wrote the trash in this article, feels this way about the our military. you seem to want to create enemies where you have none. in doing so, you are merely a pawn of this admin. which seems to already have you by the balls.
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UncontrollableScaldingDiarrhea11 months, 2 weeks ago
Ted Rall is a carton of sludge that has long passed its expiration date. He's a shifty cheap shot artist who likes to bring up the past like it's meaningful. He likes to point out in his infinite wisdom that he was always against the war.
Well, Teddy, the steak has been seasoned and placed in the oven, yet you still want to argue about the cut.
It's fun to use an emotional argument about some soldiers lives, but Ted seems to be sorely lacking in ideas about what we are to do about the inevitable fallout if just withdraw as fast as possible, which will result in even greater grief for soldiers and the country.
Ted "Let It Flow" Rall, statesman.
I'm throughly impressed and throughly regular after cosuming his tripe.
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bobo-in-texas11 months, 2 weeks ago
In his complete cluelessnes, he even uses the "fake turkey" fake story.
Both mean and inept. Not a good combination.
http://patterico.com/2004/12/13/fake-turkey-cor...
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SonOfTheMask11 months, 2 weeks ago
I have to admit, I really dislike Ted Rall. I actually was compelled to send him a note outlining my disgust of his Condi Rice cartoon a couple years back. He also had one about Pat Tillman, but I think he may have apologized about that one.
He's a jerk. The fact that he's using the "72%" Zogby poll is telling...that poll was discredited. Hey, I think Hyperbola here at Propeller still likes that poll, too...
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Goppy11 months, 2 weeks ago
Me too!
Hes a jerk.
Just liek all them political pundits who manipulate mankinds vexin interest in TV personalities and radio blow-hards!!
I guess we just liek to be entertained. Dont matter none if it raises our conscoiusness.
In fact, its kinda kurious bout us Christian Conservatives. WE acktually PREFER to have every issued dumbed down fer us!!
Thats why I personally have a Rush Limbaugh bobble head next to a plastic Jesus on my car dashboard.
Yay foer mindless drivel from the numerous right Wing talkin heads all over mainstream media!!!
Horray for Right Wing Media!!!
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gamahuche11 months, 2 weeks ago
I've no idea who this guy is.
He totally lacks credibility.
He writes crap.
But bigotry and treason are hardly epithets worth throwing around like confetti.
Save them for someone of substance.
In short a pointless non-story.
Not worth voting for or against or wasting more than 3 minutes on.
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cheif11 months, 2 weeks ago
He doesn't understand the reason the soldiers are there - they only follow orders from civilians. The soldier is not in charge - we and people like this jerk tell them to do what they do. Sure, they volunteered, but apologizing for the actions they take to stay alive is completely out of line...
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
The Gestapo Inheritance
'We do not torture': Groans from the CIA's black sites beg to differ
... What has recentlyâ;;and startlinglyâ;;been revealed are the eerie parallels between these CIA "enhanced interrogation techniques" and the verschärfte vernehmung (German for "enhanced interrogation") methods of persuasion used by the Gestapo....
... the parallels between our current "enhanced interrogation techniques" and the Gestapo's have been researched and documented by the widely published libertarian Andrew Sullivan (andrewsul... as well as by international human-rights lawyer Scott Horton...
.. He notes that the German lexicon of torture began in 1937, to be used "only on Communists, Marxists, members of the Bible-researcher sect, saboteurs, terrorists, members of the resistance . . . asocial persons, Polish or Soviet persons who refuse to work, or idlers." ...
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
cont'd
...Previous Nazi records actually show that "the use of hypothermia and waterboarding (both later authorized by Bush and Rumsfeld) were initially forbidden" by the Nazisâ;;but, Sullivan adds, "historians have found that all the bureaucratic restrictions were eventually broken or abridged. Once you start torturing, it has a life of its own."
..In 1948, Sullivan reports, there was a U.S.-run war-crimes trial in Norway prosecuting Nazis convicted of "enhanced interrogation techniques" in the Second World War. ... At the Norwegian war-crimes trial, "The Nazi defense of the [enhanced] techniques is almost verbatim that of the Bush administration: 'The victims were not in uniform . . . and the acts of torture in no case resulted in death.'" (the Bush position in the 2002 Justice Department "torture memos")...
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
cont'd
... "The Court came to the conclusion that such acts, even though they were committed with the connivances of superiors in rank, or even on their orders, must be regarded and punished as serious war crimes."
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0743,hentoff,7...
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icono111 months, 2 weeks ago
SUPPORT THE TROOPS AND NOT THE IGMO POLITICIANS AND 'OPINIONATORS' THAT WANT TO WASH THEIR HANDS OF THEIR VOTE AND CONSENTING OPINION THAT SENT THE TROOPS INTO THE IRAQ WAR.
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amesburyroad11 months, 2 weeks ago
The lieutenant quoted in the NY Times article made a very valid point about how America is not at war, the military is at war. Mr. Rall correctly contrasted the Vietnam veteran's protests with the lack of opposition to this war by those in the military today and simply pointed out that currently serving servicemen and women are volunteers and if they oppose the war should leave the military.
No hate, just fact.
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CatholicRedneck11 months, 2 weeks ago
amesburyroad comprehended the article well enough. He just didn't read it through the lens of a nationalist who:
1. has a sense of entitlement for America
2. is narcissistic about America
3. has a pathological need to control the rest of the world
4. never accepts that America's prior actions have consequences, like 9/11.
For more information on this nationalism, see:
http://www.propeller.com/story/2007/10/23/super...
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CatholicRedneck11 months, 2 weeks ago
I dunno, BoBo. The guy makes sense to me. I admit that when I see a soldier walking down the streets of Louisville, I have mixed feelings about him. Certainly, I pray for him. But...when a soldier fights in an unjust war, every person he kills is an act of murder - even if the guy he just killed was pointing an RPG at him.
I wish Ron Paul could actually win; he's the only republican that wants us out of Iraq immediately.
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bobo-in-texas11 months, 2 weeks ago
"But...when a soldier fights in an unjust war, every person he kills is an act of murder - even if the guy he just killed was pointing an RPG at him."
Our soldiers are not murderers
Anyone who makes such a statement is, to put it simply, a loon. And a hateful one at that. You should try KOS and Democratic Underground wher you'll fit in quite nicely.
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
Here is something that fits you bobo.
Are Educated Jingoes Honest?
The title comes from a chapter-heading of J.A. Hobson's pamphlet The Psychology of Jingoism (1901). Some of its other chapter-headings are Credulity, Brutality, The Eclipse of Humour, and The Abuse of the Press...
...An indictment of the Boer War and of the press campaign that made it possible, The Psychology of Jingoism offers an impressive foreshadowing of the Iraq war and the War on Terror...
... The editors of Jingo journals have felt quite safe in continuing to repeat the most audacious falsehoods long after they have been exposed, simply because they knew that their readers would not look at papers which opposed the war. Now, this attitude of mind has been the rule, and not the exception, among the classes which boast their education and intelligence, and it is an attitude of dishonesty."..
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/bromwich.php?articl...
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thaw11 months, 2 weeks ago
rall has a point, but goes about it in the wrong manner. he is telling his story from a little too far left of center.
i, personally, am surprised that that there are not more anti-war demonstrations, given the amount of disdain exhibited here, and in other media venues.
the far right "don't give a damn how the world sees us, we must kill everyone that doesn't like us"
and the far left "want to impeach the complete gov't and try them for war crimes, them hangem' and extend an arm in friendship to the world".
the sooner a "central" party is born and takes over, the better.
good luck with that.
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
There are more anti-war actions than you realize - simply that our corporate media does not report about them.
Today, Saturday, October 27, in 11 regional centers and other locations around the country, our voices will ring out loud and clear. The war and occupation in Iraq must end, and it must end now!
Learn more about this national day of action, initiated by United for Peace and Justice, a 5-year old coalition of 1,400 groups.
Listen to a live radio stream featuring on-going reports of Saturday's actions.
See or post reports, photos and videos of the actions from across the country. .....
Check out our poll and forum discussion about next steps for the antiwar movement.
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slate11 months, 2 weeks ago
With code pink and the Thruthers going into meetings on both sides and causing trouble, even Bill Clinton isn't immune to their hate filled rants, they are becoming more bold and a bit dangerous. I wonder when these groups will become violent in their zeal for their cause. Can you imagine how people would feel about said groups if they set off a bomb during a Hillary speech because she doesn't tow their line?
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
Well bobo, most of the non-zionist neocons have seen the failure and no longer back the bushie zioncons.
America's self-defeating hegemony â;;Francis Fukuyama
... Israel made a similar mistake in thinking that it could use its enormous margin of conventional military power to destroy Hezbollah in last summer's Lebanon War. Both Israel and the US are nostalgic for a twentieth-century world of nation-states, which is understandable, since that is the world to which the kind of conventional power they possess is best suited.
But nostalgia has led both states to misinterpret the challenges they now face, whether by linking al-Qaeda to Saddam Hussein's Iraq, or Hezbollah to Iran and Syria. This linkage does exist in the case of Hezbollah, but the networked actors have their own social roots and are not simply pawns used by regional powers....
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2...
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wildman655711 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh gee, I knew that some idiot would start blaming the troops. Iraq is getting to look more and more like Vietnam every day.
It is the job of the military to follow orders. Countries where the military don't follow orders look like Burma!!! Is that would that idiot Ted want??? Burma in the US? The Generals shooting us because we are doing something they don't like?
Keep in mind that it is NOT THE MILITARY'S FAULT. It is the fault of all Americans (excepting the ones that were against it from the beginning -- which excludes Hillary and most Democrats also).
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
Actually the reason we don't have Burma in the US is because our soldiers have historically been reluctant to shoot their own countrymen (there are a few exceptions). Whether this is still true of our "professional" military or of the private armies of our warlords (Blackwater, Erik Prinz) remains to be seen (Blackwater threatened to shoot Americans trying to reclaim their houses in New Orleans).
You are right that Americans need to recover their democracy and end the Iraq war and the ugly accompaniments. Here is something all americans should support.
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
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Rumsfeld Hit with Lawsuit for Ordering, Authorizing Torture
U.S. and European human rights groups filed a lawsuit in France today charging former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld with ordering and authorizing torture. The plaintiffs include the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights and the Paris-based International Federation of Human Rights. They say Rumsfeld authorized interrogation techniques that led to abuses at US-run prisons in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay.
The complaint was filed with the Paris prosecutor's office as Rumsfeld arrived in France for a visit. This is the fifth time Rumsfeld has been charged with direct involvement in torture since 9/11. Michael Ratner is the president of the Center for Constitutional Rights. He joins me in the firehouse studio. Jeanne Sulzer is a French attorney with the International Federation of Human Rights. She joins me on the line from Paris....
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/articl...
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
Actually Rall is right. Our soldiers feel the same way - and are taking action, just as they did in vietnam.
Speaks well of our troops that many of them uphold our finest american traditions, e.g. the Nuremberg principles, better than our politicians do.
Soldiers Opt for 'Search and Avoid'
News â;; Iraq war veterans now stationed at a base here say that morale among US soldiers in the country is so poor, many are simply parking their Humvees and pretending to be on patrol, a practice dubbed "search and avoid" missions.
http://news.propeller.com/story/2007/10/25/ill-...
The Persecution of Lt. Cmdr. Diaz
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/10/hbc-9000...
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
One should also remember that many other members of the CIA and military are fighting back against the bushie lies.
Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report
September 23, 2007 â;; Seven CIA veterans have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and have called for a new investigation. "I think at simplest terms, there's a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke," said Raymond McGovern, 27-year veteran of the CIA, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates during the seventies. "There are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they're unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions," he said....
William Christison, a 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis also describes the 9/11 Commission Report as a "joke" and offers even more outspoken criticism....
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
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Robert Baer is another well known CIA veteran who has questioned the official account of 9/11. A 21-year CIA veteran and specialist in the Middle East, Baer was awarded the Career Intelligence Medal upon his retirement in 1997... "So you are personally of the opinion ... that there was an aspect of 'inside job' to 9/11 within the U.S. government?" To which Baer replied, "There is that possibility, the evidence points at it." ...
"I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war," wrote well-known intelligence analyst Robert David Steele in 2006.. Steele has 25 years of combined service in the CIA and the U.S. Marine Corps. He also served as the second ranking civilian (GS-14) in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence from 1988 - 1992 and was a member of the Adjunct Faculty of Marine Corps University....
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0709/S00459.htm
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Shadowolf11 months, 2 weeks ago
GOD DAMN IT;PEOPLE!!!
Politicians start wars:the military fights and dies because of people who take neither risk or responsibility...and if I ever meet Ted Rall...he'll never insult a member of the US Armed Forces again!!!Don't blame REAL liberals and progressives for polymorphrodite scum like Rall!!!
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hyperbola11 months, 2 weeks ago
Rall has some valid points. Why was it a war crime when the Gestapo tortured, but is not when the US military uses the same torture methods? Why were Nazis convicted in court for "following orders" to torture (and other things) and our soldiers are not?
Here is a member of our armed forces you should support.
Guantanamo military lawyer breaks ranks to condemn 'unconscionable' detention
Published: 27 October 2007
An American military lawyer and veteran of dozens of secret Guantanamo tribunals has made a devastating attack on the legal process for determining whether Guantanamo prisoners are "enemy combatants"....
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/ar...
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