This Will Ruin Ted Kennedy's Day »
Posted By bobo-in-texas 10 months ago in NewsLet's see. Ted Kennedy said the tapes were destroyed in response to the Democratic victory in 2006 in order to cover administration tracks in a Watergate-like cover-up. The tapes were actually destroyed in 2005, on the decision of career CIA officials (You know: the Valerie Plame crowd) and the lawyers gave them a greenlight.
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bobo-in-texas10 months ago
As it becomes clearer that this was an internal CIA decision and not from the White House, this story, and the "outrage" that accompanies it, will fade.
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SonOfTheMask10 months ago
I haven't been able to keep up on the news, but I did see a headline yesterday that government lawyers had "greenlighted" the destruction. I'm not sure on what basis, I'll have to read more.
I will say that if it was not standard procedure to destroy these types of things (could there be such a standard procedure given the rather unique circumstances of these interrogations?), then I'm not too happy. Their destruction doesn't mean that there was "incriminating" evidence of torture...but it sure doesn't look good in light of everything alleged.
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Sandokan10 months ago
It's been 17 hrs since this story came online with bobo ... being a DoD Officer in germany, all I can say is that you NEVER destroy archives basically, unless: 1. run out of space - electronically or otherwise; in which case the Agency Regulation (DA, AR, NAV, USAREUR. etc.) stipulates the destroy date of the files or 2. receive a direct order to do so. For the most part the files will be held indefinitely. Using logic in this case, since the tapes in question were about a subject that is clearly against the Geneva Convention Rules, that the United States put into law in the first place, clearly shows that it was a deliberate attempt to hide this Administrations involvement with the acts. IMHO ANY method used to save American lives is legal. However, we need to own up to it and not take the cowardly way out, by denying or destroying evidence to the contrary.
If I had custody of the tapes, and saw the writing on the wall in 2005, would've done the same... Kennedy was right.
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bobo-in-texas10 months ago
I would like to thank Anchor Dakota for overruling Neophile and putting this story back online.
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Blackacereturn10 months ago
Who cares when the tapes were distroyed? The problem is that thy were! That's the problem with the extreem right, i don't think you never get it. The distroy the tapes.
Also, I am not betting the farm on any GOP so call truth.
They lie too much as it is.
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Sandokan10 months ago
It's been 17 hrs since this story came online with bobo ... being a DoD Officer in germany, all I can say is that you NEVER destroy archives basically, unless: 1. run out of space - electronically or otherwise; in which case the Agency Regulation (DA, AR, NAV, USAREUR. etc.) stipulates the destroy date of the files or 2. receive a direct order to do so. For the most part the files will be held indefinitely. Using logic in this case, since the tapes in question were about a subject that is clearly against the Geneva Convention Rules, that the United States put into law in the first place, clearly shows that it was a deliberate attempt to hide this Administrations involvement with the acts. IMHO ANY method used to save American lives is legal. However, we need to own up to it and not take the cowardly way out, by denying or destroying evidence to the contrary.
If I had custody of the tapes, and saw the writing on the wall in 2005, Kennedy was right.
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Endoscopy10 months ago
"clearly against the Geneva Convention Rules"
Since when does the Geneva Convention protect terrorists that kill innocent civilians while conducting clandestine attacks on the population? They wear no uniform and do not just fight an army arrayed against them.
This is clearly outside the Geneva Convention which is set up to protect prisoners of war even if not wearing a uniform but battle only enemy combatants.
Under these conditions we have the right to line them up and blow them away and still be within the Geneva Convention.
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SwampFox110 months ago
Oh Bo, poor Bo, you been snortin' those Texican corn cobs again? That sweet Texas crude seeped into your brain, my friend? You've seemed to have forgotten that that Bush-whacker in the whitehouse is the son of one George Hubert Prescott (as in Big Weenie)Bush. He was appointed Director of the CIA by Richard Milhouse (Tricky Dicky) Nixon in 1973.
Can you explain just how Jack Ruby was working for Dick-Head when he was on HUAC (House UnAmerican Committee, I presume you are a real patriot and read your history about The Alamo...and November 11, 1963...and September 11, 2001?
Has all those known facts just slipped right out of your head?
Dude, you seemed to have also forgotten he lost TWO brothers: Jack Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy. How many have you buried??? If someone mouthed-off at you, BooBoo, about losing two brothers to assassins would you just smile and walk away?
I know you better than that, my friend. You'd go ballistic.
I know who was behind those hits, do you???
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browntiger10 months ago
Potatoe potata.
Who cares, really who cares.... Question is why were they destroyed... Isn't there at least mandatory seven years retention policy for all DoD documents?
DoD tell us to keep all records for seven years.
2003 - 2005? I think it is pretty clear why were they destroyed. Unless you are Texas BoBo?
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bobo-in-texas10 months ago
Thanks Propeller users for putting this at the top of the page even after Neophile tried to censor it.
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cherev10 months ago
"This Will Ruin Ted Kennedy's Day"
The headline should be clearer and more specific. When I first saw it, I thought there had been an explosion at a distillery.
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ZiegfeldGirl10 months ago
"This Will Ruin Ted Kennedy's Day"
"The headline should be clearer and more specific. When I first saw it, I thought there had been an explosion at a distillery."
It says "ruin his DAY", not "ruin his LIFE".
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nostalgia10 months ago
Waterboarding: Congress Knew
After 3 days of screaming headlines about the CIA destroying videotapes in 2005 of the "harsh" interrogation of 2 terrorists, it now comes to light that in 2002 key members of Congress were fully briefed by the CIA about those interrogation techniques, including waterboarding. One member of that Congressional delegation was the future House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi.
Porter Goss, the former chair of the House Intelligence Committee who later served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006 is explicit about what happened in these meetings: "Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing. And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119734098837720...
Original story in the Wash Post
Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
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icono110 months ago
True.
When it appeared that torture was a necessary evil that had to be used to 'secure' our nation and was an idea that was widely accepted, although fully understood, by the voter then the vast majority of congressmen and women were definitely for it (Ted was in the 'I'm all for it crowd' I believe).
Now that the voters are no longer duped by a line of propaganda about Wmds and etc and are looking at a costly protracted war that underlines an act of gross incompetence by our fearless congressional leaders; some of those 'leaders' want to re-write a slice of congressional history to suit a 'favorable party stance' to gain the White House and or 'wash their hands' of the incident.
And Ted knows a simple fact about politics:
"The truth is relative to what one wants to accomplish."
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Wolfie200710 months ago
Speaking of Ted Kennedy's health, a couple of years ago he looked as if he would pass on any day but then a few months later he looks better. I thought maybe he'd hijacked somebodys liver.
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