Texas officials looking at possible abuse among FLDS boys »
Posted by: not2needy 4 months agoTexas - Texas officials told legislators Wednesday that they're investigating the possible sexual abuse of some young boys taken from a polygamist sect's ranch, as well as broken bones among other children.
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not2needy4 months ago
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In written and oral testimony provided to lawmakers Wednesday, officials with the state Department of Family and Protective Services said interviews and journal entries suggested that boys may have been sexually abused.
Earlier, the department's commissioner, Carey Cockerell, told lawmakers that at least 41 children, some of them "very young," have evidence of broken bones.
The state has custody of 464 children from the Yearning For Zion Ranch in the west Texas prairie town of Eldorado, including a baby born to a teen mother Tuesday.
This just gets sicker all the time. However in this article, it explains the lengths the mothers of these children were willing to go to in order to keep the authorities from finding the truth, i.e., changing names, erasing names from name bands and exchanging children.
An honestly sick bunch, sexually perverse, IMO..
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Bkumm4 months ago
Although I am distraught by what I see coming out of this story, perhaps we should be taking something else away from this.
There are two questions that keep popping into mind for me about this story.
1. This is about sex and power not religion. If this country could look at sex in a natural way and not be so repressed about it, would this kind of thing happen? If a man or woman could have two or more spouses openly, wouldn't this kind of thing cease to be a problem? It went on so long and abusively because it was in the shadows.
2. What is it about religion that drives this quest for power? We've seen this come up quite a bit over the last several years and I just don't understand it. Christianity, the religion with which I am most familiar, does not support a quest for power in this world, but rather a surrender of power in this world in an effort to better love our fellow humans. I just don't get it.
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chuck-the-canuck4 months ago
"Christianity is a surrender of power, not a quest for power"
A pleasant thought, but not entirely accurate. It may be true for you and other individuals on a personal level, but on an institutional level, religion is about power over the people.
You can't tell me the Catholic church isn't all about the power.
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questionseverything4 months ago
one of the things that bothers me about all of this is
the "state" is protecting these children in an illegal manner,by law each of those kids should of had a mini trial before they were put into foster care..we call them shelter care hearings in illinois and they have to happen with in 48 hrs...in tx its 2 weeks BUT the state of tx did not give them individual trials///they did a group thingy,that violates every one of those kids civil rights as well as their parents
i am not bringing this up to defend those parents...i dont know what happened by my folks taught me...when a facist dictator comes along and starts to deny peops their civil rights they ALWAYS start with unpopular groups
we have seen "them" start with terrorist,druggies,sex offenders
we could be listing the gypsys and the jews just as easily
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lvrofwolves4 months ago
Well given the enormous size of the situation,the amount of children involved, shouldn't removing the kids be a priority for their protection? There are 100s of lawyers,and many other agencies involved and many offering free services, others offering these people lodging etc...
this case is not the norm, I hope everyone involved tries to do their best possible.
Civil rights of the children? so far it looks as tho their civil rights have been violated by the parents and the people running that 'compound', if you have to fore go some legal rights in order to protect the kids from further abuse....I'd be willing to do that myself.
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quackpot4 months ago
My understanding is that each child has his/her own attorney. Are you sure that individual family court hearings (not trials) are not planned for the near future? In most states, the removal of childern from a dangerous situation is the first item of business (done), finding a suitable foster home is the second item of business (done), long-term legal issues that may extend for a year or more are the thrid item (in progress).
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Natureboy4 months ago
What is it about religion that drives this quest for power?
What is it about power that it seeks to dignify itself as religion?
Judeo-christian religion, at least, seems to be the process of putting one's words in the mouth of the Ultimate Authority Figure in the sky so everyone will do what you say.
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Dionys4 months ago
"Judeo-christian religion, at least, seems to be the process of putting one's words in the mouth of the Ultimate Authority Figure in the sky so everyone will do what you say. "
Attributing to a religion the problem that is plainly the fault of the person who uses religion seems dishonest.
When someone uses lies and excuses outside of religion to push their agenda it's the exact same thing as someone using religious lies and excuses to push their agenda. It's the person doing it and not the fault of the religion. Unless, of course, the religion as a whole in some way supports the claims of that person.
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blinkers4 months ago
Yes, Bkumm, I'd go along with your views, and definitely share your incomprehension at what appears to have gone on, in this secretive compound. I don't get it either.
But those empowered to uphold the law, and enforce its dictates, do not have the luxury of "incomprehension". Laws appear to have been broken, and action is needed to bring wrongdoers to justice. Hopefully this process will mean the very minimum of discomfort for the truly innocent.
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ML20074 months ago
Yes, there is no doubt that these people are sick providing we are getting the true story from the state. It has been my experience in the past, though, when the state starts a witch hunt, they tend to justify what they suspected with their own view of the facts. If the cult leaders physically abused the children, then they need to be held to the highest standard of the law, but in this country, I will have to assume they are innocent until proven guilty. If the state is right in their accusations, then they certainly have done the right thing by removing the children which I, for one, am grateful.
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not2needy4 months ago
You're right ML, when you get the govt involved, be it state, local or federal, they will invariably twist things to suit their agendas. Honestly, i hope this is one of those situations, it's unthinkable to know for sure that the physical and sexual abuse was as rampant as it is painted at the FLDS, especially with the willing consents of the mothers.
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ML20074 months ago
If the abuse is real, I am not sure the mothers always had a willing consent. In that type of male dominated cult, the man makes all the decisions, does all the thinking, and is responsible for all the discipline. That type of cult would suggest to me, by its nature, that there is something to the abuse, especially for males. The males don't want any competition for the females in latter years. That is why they have a complete society of what they call "the lost boys", boys who have been kicked out of the cult into the real world. There, they have a very hard time of adjusting, and according to a recent documentary I saw on TV lately, a high majority of those boys end up in the drug world. The whole situation is sad, but if the Government is going to crack down on such, they ought to make it nationwide.
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Spadecaller4 months ago
When I have observed the mothers of these children speak, they seem awfully removed from reality. It appears to me that these are traumatized people that have been living in a sort of hellish dreamworld for so long that they are removed from the important concerns mothers and parents would have for their children.
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pfestus4 months ago
I've been wondering what happened to all the boys at the "ranch". This definitely sheds some light on the situation.
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Dionys4 months ago
Humanity has always had its horrors.
One has to look no further than China under Mao as an example of what horrors humans can perpetrate upon one another as a rule to see that it has nothing to do with Religion and that people will often co-opt or use religion to excuse their basically human actions.
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pitchman114 months ago
They need to try looking at some inter city projects. They will find more pregnant teens and abused kids than at the
FLDS
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mackiemesser4 months ago
Those 'Texas officials' shouldn't make public such damning information until they can fully support them with unimpeachable evidence. It gives their raid on that compound a witch hunt aura. To further sensationalize the plight of the young people of that compound is irresponsible.
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Poulenc4 months ago
But isn't religion ABOUT, at least in part, surrendering TO authority--to the ultimate one "up there?" (Let's put the niceties of finding the self by giving it up aside for now.)
Those who manage the flock are by definition acting in loco deitis (I just made that word up, but you follow); it's all too tempting to abuse that role, and many do.
A sect is the whole deal in seriously pathological mode, as it's main job is to create a hermetic, "impenetrable" world with its own rules within the world, to do its best to exclude any challenges to its authority/autonomy.
Ergo a great potential for abuse, as we've recently seen.
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Natureboy3 months, 4 weeks ago
"Attributing to a religion the problem that is plainly the fault of the person who uses religion seems dishonest."
The problem is at least in part the problem of a religion that teaches obedience to authority and establishes priests and ministers as that authority. A religion which taught people to be self-directed instead of mind-fscking them into thinking they are "lost" and need the church, or a church leader, to lead them to the light, would not have such problems.
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