Disturbing Stirrings: Ratcheting Up For War On Iran »
Posted by: populist 2 months, 3 weeks ago79 CommentsReflectReport this Story
With Iraq still raging and hawkishness over Iran heating up, it's disquieting to think what's coming, and it's got Middle East leaders uneasy. Not about Iran, but about a rogue administration with over eight months left to incinerate the region in a mushroom-shaped cloud and no hesitation about doing it.
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Grrr2 months, 3 weeks ago
I think that at this point, if the admin really tried anything extreme in the ME outside of Iraq, the Pentagon and Congress would have no choice but to ignore their orders and relieve them of duty. Even the handpicked bunch of idealistic young lt. generals that they have running things now (the only ones left that haven't resigned or been relieved of duty for telling them they're nuts) are not so stupid as all that.
One would hope.
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UnusualSuspect2 months, 3 weeks ago
From the article:
"Bush and Cheney are determined not to hand over "the Iran problem" to a successor."
They better hurry and and invade, then...Bush and Cheney will be out of office in a little more than 8 months...and when I say hurry, I'm sure they'll rush in without the slightest thought about how to get out, leaving us, again, in a terrible situation.
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ETproductions2 months, 3 weeks ago
Bush has pretty much purged all the top line officers who might buck him. There is nothing left but the Bush butt-kiss set. Don't hold out much hope for them stopping his loony plans for grandeur. It's going to take impeachment to stop him unless both parties nominate someone who plans to bomb Iran after he leaves office.
Of course, their mantra is that they are just going to bomb strategic targets, like a "known" terrorist training camp or "known" nucular [sic] weapons facility. You know, like the "known" WMD facilities that were all over Iraq... the ones Cheney amd Rummy insisted we KNEW the locations of.
They INSIST there will be no possibility of any blowback. We can do this without consequence. Just like we could invade Iraq with a light force, it would take 6 or 8 weeks, and Iraq's oil revenues would pay for the whole thing.
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ETproductions2 months, 3 weeks ago
Unfortunately no. Hillary and company already voted to declare Iran a state sponsor of terror. All Bush needs is a trumped up "incident" like Lyndon Johnson ordered the CIA to invent in the Gulf of Tonkin to proceed with a first strike in retaliation.
Let the chips fall where they may after that. After all, with a majority in the Senate (including Lieberman and Cheney) there is NO way congress can do a damned thing about whatever Bush decides to do next, and he knows it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Inc...
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populist2 months, 3 weeks ago
I think you're right on all fronts. It's a volatile situation, that's for sure....
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Thinker222 months, 3 weeks ago
> No matter how much it might please Israel to have the US attack Iran...
The last thing Israel wants is the US attack against Iran. You see, unlike some posters here Israelis and their leaders realize that such attack will trigger an Iranian attack agaist Israel... and Israel will have no choice but to "get involved" with thousands of Israelis being killed and maimed.
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vor2 months, 3 weeks ago
"Imagine what happens when one tanker or freighter is sunk right in the middle of the Strait."
That's all the Iranians would have to do to create worldwide turmoil. They would sink one of their own ships of course. Of course it would hurt them economically but if they are hit they have limited responses.
20 USD/ a gallon gas? Remember it is the speculators that determine price and such a situation would cast great uncertainty onto the world market. These men have proven themselves idiots before (specifically Cheney and Ahmadinejad) so nothings ruled out.
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TonyByron2 months, 3 weeks ago
" That's all the Iranians would have to do to create worldwide turmoil. They would sink one of their own ships of course. Of course it would hurt them economically but if they are hit they have limited responses.
20 USD/ a gallon gas? Remember it is the speculators that determine price and such a situation would cast great uncertainty onto the world market. These men have proven themselves idiots before (specifically Cheney and Ahmadinejad) so nothings ruled out.
So Iran sinking a ship in the Strait of Hormuz would be blamed on "speculators" for a rise in oil prices?.
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ML20072 months, 3 weeks ago
The writer paints a pretty dismal picture if all he claims is true, but where there is smoke there usually is fire. There is no doubt in my mind that Cheney and Bush are capable of such deeds, and I certainly believe they have the right sycophant in place in David Patreuse to carry out their plan. I really don't understand their motive for taking what they have to know is lies so far as to put the whole world in danger. If we think the rest of the world like Russia and China are going to sit around while we takeover and/or destroy the Middle East, their back yard, we have another think coming. So, why would they make up such lies as to endanger the world? There could be several motives for acting this way. 1)they really believe their hype about the dangers of Iran (I don't) 2)It is oil related 3)They perceive this from some kind of eschatological Christian view 4)or they are just two nut balls that have lost it. By me. I am at a loss for why, but I suspect the latter.
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ETproductions2 months, 3 weeks ago
Then again, maybe these really are Pastor Hagee converts. Maybe they believe that only by triggering an all-out nuclear conflagration can they be raptured up to heaven.
Never mind there is nothing scriptural about the rapture. It is the fantasy of a 19th century European teenager. Never mind that John of Patmos was most likely writing about contemporary Rome in his time, and its persecution of Christians, not the 21st century.
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greenmac2 months, 3 weeks ago
If there is a war between the US and Iran .... kiss everything you hold dear goodbye. I believe there are factions that wish this to happen .... i just don't unstand the logic behind it. I agree with the politicians that want dialog between Iran and other states in the area.... words do not kill,but may be the answer to prevent further killing.
To believe in not talking to your perceived enemy, is like saying..."we have made our mind up and you are the problem not us....we are right" Thats total BS. Threre are faults on both sides of the equation ....the US must own up to some of their faults as well as Iran.
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ETproductions2 months, 3 weeks ago
Generally, big business is the stabilizing influence. They want war. Great for profits. They do NOT want a rout of American forces, or a nuclear holocaust. VERY bad for business. They pretty much own the RepugniCons in power now. Let's hope they can reign them in. Off the table Nancy seems to care less about doing it.
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TheRealizer2 months, 3 weeks ago
Hopefully more level headed people will prevail and this attack can be avoided.
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nikkibabe2 months, 3 weeks ago
In your country is it possible to start a war or invade a country without approval from Congress? If it is not required, yours is nothing but a dictatorship.
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Grrr2 months, 3 weeks ago
Apparently it is. I, too, am still puzzled by this. It's really a pretty shameful situation that Americans have become such herd animals that the Gubmint can get away with stuff like this, just the disinformation let alone acting on it, and not be strung up by hoards of peasants wielding pitchforks and carrying torches. I would say that they must be putting something in the water, but it's probably just fear conditioning from the idiot box.
Not sure which, since I don't drink the water or watch TV...
Well, you can drink the water, but you have to run it through a coffee filter (with coffee in it) first, or at least add some bourbon to it in a minimum 1 to 2 ratio. Ice cubes count.
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blinkers2 months, 3 weeks ago
Grrr, good comments. You were just over at the "Obama doesn't know how many states there are" thread. Looking at some of the comments/people who're on there gives some insight into how/why things have developed in this way.
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Mdiar2 months, 3 weeks ago
No, a declaration of war must come from Congress, not the President. Congress authorized the invasion of Iraq and subsequent funding of the occupation. Depending on the terms of the treaty, the war may be legal or illegal before taking into account international treaties involving the UN. Currently an outright congressional order to end the war in Iraq is impossible due to the balance of power within Congress itself. Essentially the government is deadlocked at the moment.
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dunkirk2 months, 3 weeks ago
lol, you have to consider the source and the people commenting there. They ARE the 20%'s who see a terrorist behind every bush, who do believe if we weren't in Iraq we would be fighting them here, that Bush hasn't lied and Saddam planned 9/11. Its the same crowd that believes the government shouldn;t interfere in anything UNLESS it affects them and then somehow CLinton is stopping their deserved relief from happening. The same bunch that advocates war in the ME but because of 1) Old War wounds 2) Being needed more here 3) Family requires it 4) too old, (take your pick or any combination for that matter) CAN'T fight it themselves.
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ETproductions2 months, 3 weeks ago
Congress has NO authority under the constitution to outsource the declaration of war. The Iraq war was illegal both because it was a war of aggression in violation of signed and ratified treaties (which are actually above the laws of the land passed by congress) and because Congress didn't declare it, they illegally outsourced that action.
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Mutainia2 months, 3 weeks ago
Unfortunately, a LOT of things seem to go over this guy's head. He's about as humorous as my old buddy, Mu. Speaking of muhairi8, do you ever wonder what might have happened to him? I'd LIKE to think the videos I was sending him from "investigateislam" and "CloningIsFun" got him putting two and two together, but, I doubt it, even though it was right after the videos that he seemed to "go on vacation". Of course, YOU, Endoscopy, sure got a lot of good shots off on him. The couple of times he reared his turbaned head after falling silent, you presented things that were rather worthy of applause. I'm wondering if YOU might have been the straw that broke the camel's back...IF it's broken.
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Endoscopy2 months, 3 weeks ago
A twisted far left rant and the faithful mind numbed robots just talk in lock step. Everything conservative is evil. Big business is evil. The only thing not evil is taking peoples money to spend on what they see as "helping" people whether they need it or not.
They ignore what Islamic hate people say is their goal. Iran - Wipe out Israel, sharia law for all Muslim countries.
Palestinians - Wipe out the Jews, (50$ of their young children want to grow up and become suicide bombers).
al Quaeda - Destroy the weak Great Satan US and end up conquering it and bring it Sharia law.
Just keep the blinders on and think you can have meaningful talks with a religion that never really negotiates. In Islam from the time of Muhammad treaties are to be used as a temporary way of gathering their forces for the next attack. Muhammad said , "War is deceit."
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vor2 months, 3 weeks ago
Both the Bible and Koran are the words of man. They are myth not history. The reliance of such a large and dangerous segment of the worlds population on these old, moldy texts will be the undoing of mankind.
So now it's the Islamic Hate People (IHP) instead of the Islamo-Fascists (of course that one was truly non-sensical)? We have only provided them with recruiting fodder and martyrs for their cause up to this point. We have done nothing to change the perception of America only reinforced what they are taught in the poisonous madrassas that we continue to ignore.
The Iranian threat is the silliest of all, they can do nothing to Israel without ensuring that their own nation ceases to exist. We have assured Israel of this and of course the Iranians understand the MAD concept. What we hear from Ahmadinejad (and truly very little of late) is the typical rhetoric of a ME ruler. All bluster and bravado without a bit of realism behind the words.
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Dionys2 months, 3 weeks ago
"Just keep the blinders on "
Just keep the blinders on to what supposedly Christian (or Jewish) nations have said.
All 'sides' are at fault for hateful language. At least as nations of leaders. The individual people, however, are always the saving grace. Which is why so many countries hate the US, but love the American people. Funny thing is they're able to seperate the understanding of national identity and individual creed.
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k21bl2 months, 3 weeks ago
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I think that at this point, if the admin really tried anything extreme in the ME outside of Iraq, the Pentagon and Congress would have no choice but to ignore their orders and relieve them of duty. Even the handpicked bunch of idealistic young lt. generals that they have running things now (the only ones left that haven't resigned or been relieved of duty for telling them they're nuts) are not so stupid as all that.
One would hope. Let's all hope so!
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mr2042 months, 3 weeks ago
News flash:
Saudi Arabia and it's allied Arab countries are threatening to cut diplomatic and economic ties with Iran for it's funding and training of Hezbollah and other terrorist factions (it's about time).
Looks like the U.S. and Israel aren't the only ones who want war with Iran (military or otherwise).
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TonyByron2 months, 3 weeks ago
Good God what an extraordinary piece of blather. A truly heroic attempt to weave a tapestry from pocket lint. The author sounds like a basement-dwelling, delusional, self-abusing paranoid.
Out of context quotes, generous use of [ ] and ( ) and truly Olympian leaps of faulty logic/reasoning. And where is at least one link? One should get at least one link to get a handle on where the "author" gets his information.
I don't keep a record but this is the most propagandist ranting posted by populist that I have read. I would expect this from many of the Mid-East sites that I read. I have to give two-thumbs-up for the sheer chutzptah of the man to write this sack of drivel with no documentation.
I read some of the craziest stories here on propeller.
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KvilleTX2 months, 3 weeks ago
Uh-Oh..drive by negger alert! Neo is on the loose, negging everything in sight! I'm going to have to (re-sink) this baloney story and again call it dookey!
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