Do No Evil – As we first revealed, when Sheila Jones needed help, help never came. That despite repeated calls to Metro Nashville's 911 over a three-hour stretch about an ex-boyfriend who'd assaulted her and was threatening to come back. (via rawstory)
OMG, that blows my mind that a 911 operator would make a comment like that. The vast majority of 911 operators perform with admirable professionalism to serve their communities but it's the occasional jerk like this one that makes the headlines and gives the public a false impression of the cadre of good, caring folk who man those phones. The part that puzzles me is why he didn't get fired because of this incident as I thought that all these calls are monitored or at least reviewed by supervisory personnel?
Afterwards, he did get fired mackimesser from a supervisor from that video. But much afterwards when this got into the news.
According to the article, the 911 operator was not fired because of the call at all; the operator was a trainee and did not pass the training course's final exam. He was fired in March--which means that this story is a couple of months old, although the article doesn't include any actual dates. (May I digress? Talk about crappy journalism--no dates in a news story?!)
This is what you get when a program is funded with no oversight. The fees for 911 service are added to every telephone bill without clear responsibility as to how they are spent. Too often, the money goes to other uses than the call center. 911 offices are staffed with less than trained people in too many instances. Some are really good. Some are not.
Interesting point. Is there a `911 super fund`? I assume that 911 is paid for differently by community, but now that you mention it, I do not know how the money is managed.
Our community is growing, even now. Where is the extra money going?
Phone bills go up and down. Where does the extra money go when there is extra? What happens when/if revenues are short?
I'm not surprised.
A couple years ago I called in a roadside accident in Houston and was told by the 911 operator that I needed to talk to another office so she patched me to another operator. The second operator also told me I had the wrong office and passed me back to the first operator. The first operator insisted that it was outside their jurisdiction and hung up on me.
I don't know what everyone is upset about. (sarcasm)
The government and the police know what is best for us and with those guardian angels, we do not need to think for ourselves or worry about protecting ourselves. The government has that covered, right?
The caller did part one correctly. She called the police. Part 2 would have been to be armed and ready to shoot the guy who was threatening to kill her.
Part 2 would have been to be armed and ready to shoot the guy who was threatening to kill her.
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absolutely...
shoot him FIRST .. THEN CALL 911. that'll get you a response..
Just make sure whomever is inside the house/apartment before calling. If they are outside, drag them inside.
not necessary in Florida.. and not real good advise.. because with modern forensics.. they can tell you moved the body and that makes it look like you have something to hide...
i just took a class in justifiable shootings and they stressed NEVER TO DO THAT..
the threshold for deadly force in FLORIDA.. check local laws..is
IMMINENT DANGER OF GREAT BODILY HARM OR DEATH BY FORCIBLE FELONY...
yea, I got an email about something like this, an old man calls 911 and says there are some thugs in his backyard stealing from his shed, they respond with, "lock yourself in the house, and we'll be there in a minute" Frustrated the old man waits ten minutes while watching the thugs clean out his shed, calls back and tells them, "no big hurry, I shot them"
One minute later 3 police cars show up guns drawn and catch the thieves. the officers that show up say "thought you reported you shot them" the old man responded "thought you said you'd be here in a minute"
Wasn't there a story in the news recently about a guy who was prosecuted for shooting someone breaking into his neighbor's home?
very well could be.. a gun permit does not make you a cop.. or good samaritan ..
in Florida.. SOMEONE must be in fear of imminent great bodily harm or death... even someone in your house my NOT cross this threshold in a JURY'S EYES... for instance a 60 year old dementia patient walks into your house you outweigh him by 50 lbs.. your 25 years old and in average to good shape you're not going to get a jury to believe he posed a danger to you..
property crimes are not considered a reason for deadly force..
As someone licensed to carry a concealed weapon in the state of Florida, you are incorrect.
Per the "Castle Doctrine," in the state of Florida, you are legally enabled to assume that anyone who forcibly enters or intrudes your home is there to cause great bodily harm or death. You are legally "allowed" to use any manner of force against this person, including deadly force, and have no duty to retreat.
That being said... if I, personally, saw an elderly dementia patient wandering in my house unarmed, my (and I'd imagine the vast majority of people's) first instinct would not be to shoot him. I would most certainly have my weapon drawn, but upon observation of the person, it would be pretty clear that he was not there to do any harm. This is a very different scenario than, say, walking out and finding two suspects rifling through your things and stealing your belongings. In that instance, I would not take the chance of finding out too late that they were also armed.
As someone licensed to carry a concealed weapon in the state of Florida, you are incorrect.
Per the "Castle Doctrine," in the state of Florida, you are legally enabled to assume that anyone who forcibly enters or intrudes your home is there to cause great bodily harm or death. You are legally "allowed" to use any manner of force against this person, including deadly force, and have no duty to retreat.
That being said... if I, personally, saw an elderly dementia patient wandering in my house unarmed, my (and I'd imagine the vast majority of people's) first instinct would not be to shoot him. I would most certainly have my weapon drawn, but upon observation of the person, it would be pretty clear that he was not there to do any harm. This is a very different scenario than, say, walking out and finding two suspects rifling through your things and stealing your belongings. In that instance, I would not take the chance of finding out too late that they were also armed.
As someone licensed to carry a concealed weapon in the state of Florida, you are incorrect.
Per the "Castle Doctrine," in the state of Florida, you are legally enabled to assume that anyone who forcibly enters or intrudes your home is there to cause great bodily harm or death. You are legally "allowed" to use any manner of force against this person, including deadly force, and have no duty to retreat.
That being said... if I, personally, saw an elderly dementia patient wandering in my house unarmed, my (and I'd imagine the vast majority of people's) first instinct would not be to shoot him. I would most certainly have my weapon drawn, but upon observation of the person, it would be pretty clear that he was not there to do any harm. This is a very different scenario than, say, walking out and finding two suspects rifling through your things and stealing your belongings. In that instance, I would not take the chance of finding out too late that they were also armed.
Please forgive the multiple postings... we had a power outage and my response ended up being sent more than once.
I also have a concealed carry permit..
and you ARE correct about the castle doctrine... however you must still meet the threshold of
IMMINENT DANGER OF GREAT BODILY HARM OR DEATH BY FORCIBLE FELONY..
before you can use deadly force..
I'd suggest you read John H. Gutmacher,Esq.. book on the subject and take his class..
it could keep you OUT OF JAIL.. many people who THOUGHT they were righteous in shooting someone... have lots of time to think about it because they are IN JAIL...
Florida Statute states that a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(776.012)
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony
776.08 Forcible felony.--"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony
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that is EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.. YOU'RE MAKING MY POINT THANK YOU...
you cannot shoot someone just because they break into your house... you may feel justified, but a jury might see things differently...
again thanks for making my point.
"does not have to retreat" does not give a license to kill... without the afore mentioned EMMINENT THREAT
from your prior posting....
This is a very different scenario than, say, walking out and finding two suspects rifling through your things and stealing your belongings. In that instance, I would not take the chance of finding out too late that they were also armed.
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if they aren't you could be in deep do do .. if there are a bunch of liberals on the jury...
do as you wish..
This is what would commonly be referred to as a clusterf*ck. An unsupervised trainee, who screwed up, error not caught, supervisor not consulted, untoward comments made into a live mike.
I can just about GUARANTEE you that if EVERYTHING that was said by the operators at a 911 call center (or ANY call center for that matter) was recorded and played back, you would hear PLENTY of seemingly unprofessional remarks. People ALWAYS talk differently when they KNOW someone is listening. Seen the story about the newswoman who said "f*ck" when she THOUGHT the mike was dead? Not at all uncommon.
I will say, in THIS case, the knucklehead working that 911 call SHOULD have been fired on the spot. That's just one more error - it wasn't caught immediately by a supervisor and fixed.
I agree, there's so much crap said about others, comments made when they think they are out of ear shot, probably a lot worse then this too. What is disturbing tho is he sounded like he really meant it and it's possible her life could have depended on that call. no doubt about it, regardless if anyone else heard it or not, I would have fired him on the spot.
The same thing has happened a few times in Boston recently.
"911 call taker's mistake delays police response"
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/...
The real issue though is that you can't depend on the police.
"The real issue though is that you can't depend on the police."
Who in they're right mind really does? Let's just arm ourselves and give the perps something to think long, and hard about BEFORE they try to break into your house and to do harm to you, and your loved ones.
I used to be anti-gun, pro gun control.
Then I bought a home and got married to a woman from another country who doesn`t fully understand our culture and our danger signs. Oh, yeah, and [trying to keep politics out of this but...] I have not been impressed with our leadership`s handling of Constitutional issues.
At this point, between the safety/security issue and the need to re-establish Constitutional rights, color me anti-gun-control.
Although it does seem to be the EXCEPTION rather then the rule these kind of things happen all the time.
There are a lot of reasons NONE of which excuses this type of treatment.
FORTUNATELY, this woman didn't end up dead because of this error. Too many times, they do.
Had she ended up dead, we wouldn't know anything about this. She needs to get a gun, and learn how to use it. The system does a poor job of protecting women from abusive partners. Here's some statistics just for one county in N.C., where abusers get "days" in jail. Not weeks or months or years. Days.
that is so true about hiriing civilians to do a police job,a few years ago i was attacked on my front porch by the time i got in the house i was a wreck..the man was pounding on all my windows and doors i called 911 and then waited over 1 hr for them to arrive..needless to say the man left and was never found...i just told the police i would take care of business myself from now on and i have..
Alomost two years ago, my sister called me saying my mom had locked herself in her bedroom and took a bunch of prescription pills. I immediately called 911. I gave the guy all the information, but as soon as I said she was in the adjoining county, not the one I was calling from, he said that it wasn't their jurisdiction and that I would have to call the 911 for service for the county SHE lived in. He didn't even patch me through to another station, he just hung up.
Wha wha WHAT?? How do I call the 911 service for HER county when every time I dial 911 it takes me back to the one for MY county? Finally, I had to forego calling 911 completely, get out my phonebook and look up the number for the city police where she lived. Thankfully when they arrived she had NOT taken a bunch of pills, but lord only knows what would have happened if she had, and it took that long to get help to her.
The guy who said this was at the end of a long line of mistakes. The BIG question is 'Are there enough police in Nashville to cover all the calls?" Sounds like they don't have a sufficient police force. She was not in immediate danger. The guy had left. I live in Florida and we just voted to cut our property taxes because it sounds like a great idea. Guess what gets cut?? Services, like police and fire fighters and school improvements. People need to look deeper into these things. Bet the police force is under financed.
i will say one thing in regards to police forces being under financed, no way... just under trained
Depends on regions The Snohomish County Sheriffs are completely out of control always have always will be.
The main sheriff is elected, one was busted for running prostitution, another was found shot to death out in the middle of no where in Mexico.
The deputy sheriff make up the rules as they go along. I had a car impounded by a county cause he wanted the street cleared for a friends wedding. I have had my girl friend arrested by a crank phone call, I've been assaulted on my property.
According to a county council report half of the county sheriff job applicants fail the drug test!!
Washington State Patrol is a class act, even when giving a ticket they act respectful.
If you think its just the police...
in my town there was a case of a fireman statutorily raping a 16 IN the fire house. He took photos (child porn), somebody found out and he got investigated.
City Attorney told the fireman to get rid of the evidence. Last I heard, the guy was working elsewhere but not in jail or on trial.
For all the good most of them do...
On July 3 of 2007 in Columbus, Ohio 4 kids kicked my front door in, grabbedme, took me to the basement, gagged me, tied me up and while one of them held a gun to my head, the others took things out of my home. When they left and I managed to get my feet untied, I ran to a neighbors house and called 911 and told them what happened. They said they were sending help. 45 minutes later I called and asked where they were. The 911 operator told me they dont consider what happened an emergency and as soon as an officer was free he would be there, 1 hour and 10 mintes later one officer showed up. Three weeks before that happened another neighbor's son called 911 when a friend of his that was at his house tried to take the stereo out of his car. 7 police cars and the helicopter responded in 6 minutes. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!!!!!
This is a very sad story,this woman could have been killed.I lived in Tennessee and moved recently.The crime rate is very bad.The reason for this happening to this
woman is because they will hire any one off the street.Some of them have no education and can hardly read or write.
Example,while living in Memphis a lot of police officer were never given a back ground check.Some had been on the force for years with criminal records.Some one found this out and department got rid of them.Should not have happened
in the first place.We all shoul have guns.PROTECT YOURSELF
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That's incredible! That NOBODY came to her rescue, and the reason for that is because the police were involved in some routine traffic stop. What a warped sense of priorities!
Plus, to have a 911 operator call after call from this distraught lady who had an ex bf who wanted to shish-ke-bob her with a knife. After she hung up in frustration to have this jagoff operator to say afterwards: "I really don't give a **** about what happens to you." Is as repulsive as one can get. Don't they actually screen these folks very carefully before they hire them?
WOW! I thought 911 was supposed to mean, we care and we are sending help your way, no matter who you are, the color of your skin or where you are when you need the help?
OMG, she ought sue those biyatches! I cannot believe that. 911 is supposed to be sacred. That just totally freaks me out.
If ever there was a perfect Do No Evil story, this is it.
Looks like the 911 operator didn't even code the call correctly:
"For example, police say it wasn't coded as a domestic violence incident. So, with other calls coming in, the officer initially assigned the call decided it wasn't his highest priority."
The article said he hadn't finished with his training or testing. So my question is, WTH was he doing taking calls unless supervised?
It's a crap shot. I've called 911 on a dog beating and got six lit up patrol cars in seconds. I called on three kids having their dog kill a cat no response.
My girl friend was illegally arrested by counties and 911 kept telling me she was somewhere where she wasn't for 45 minutes..
The 911 operations are contracted out, the companies pay MacDonald wages and I'm sure they have less training than MacDonalds