Cheer up. We're winning this War on Terror »
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Al-Qaeda and the Taleban are in retreat, the surge has worked in Iraq and Islamism is discredited. Not a bad haul
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buckncindykill1 month, 2 weeks ago
'We are prevailing in this struggle. We know it. And everywhere: in Afghanistan, in Iraq, and among Muslims around the world, the enemy knows it too.'
Right on!
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Aidenag1 month, 2 weeks ago
The taliban is retreating? according to everyone in the military, and even bush lately, they are making a comeback. Hence why we are sending a lot more troops to Afghanistan in the not too distant future. And why we have had more combat casualties in the the country than at any time during the "war on terror" these last few months... If we were winning, and they were losing, we wouldn't need more troops to fight. AS they would be a weaker, not stronger opponent....
I'll agree though that we are starting to make ground in Iraq, but it really means nothing when for it to stay that way, we will have to be an occupation force for decades to come.. Winning involves being able to leave the playing field... If we can't do that, we cannot win, as the game technically will not have ended...
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donald511 month, 2 weeks ago
GAO Report from April of this year says we are losing in Iraq... and McCain wanting to stay there for 100 years just guarantees 3 generations of Arabs will grow up to hate American occupation.
Another record poppy crop out of Afghanistan! OBL still free! Gitmo a symbol to the world of American decadence!
All Islam is bad? Tell that to our Islamic friends training as our allies here in the USA at military training posts, you bigots who would classify all Islamists as evil for the faults of a few! You bigots are just acerbating the war while you sit comfortably at home - Un-American fools and evangelical zealots!
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FSU92grad1 month, 2 weeks ago
donaldduck,
No, Donald, they already hate us...have for some time...And they always will want to kill you and your family and mine too...You see, Donald, they hate the West and everything it stands for...They want us to go back to the old days and be more like them, submit to Sharia law..Which I'm sure you think would be better for all Americans...You Nazi...
Quick question for ya though, ole Donald boy, were we occupying Iraq when 9/11 happened ? It's interesting how you libs continue to blame our occupation in Iraq (military bad, appeasment good) as the reason why the world hates us, but yet this was clearly not the case when we lost 3,000 lives 7 years ago...
You're arguements are old and outdated much like your ideology..
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 month, 2 weeks ago
''they already hate us.''
first off, who's 'they'? and how many are 'they'? I heard AQ numbered about 2500. And the US killed 50K in the initial wave into Iraq. who was that 'they'? that 50K?
'' were we occupying Iraq when 9/11 happened ?''
no, Osama said it was the bases occupying Saudi Arabia
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FSU92grad1 month, 2 weeks ago
Oh...so OSAMA said...
Well, if OSAMA said it then it MUST be true, right Deadxxxmanxxxwrong?
"first off, who's 'they'?"
Don't be stupid...You know who "they" is....Anybody against Western culture and ideas, Radical Muslims, etc...
You guys have become so complacent since 9/11 and continue to blame America for the reason it happened...."Osama said it was the bases occupying Saudi Arabia.."
Can't you just see and understand that people simply hate us with or without Bush and that protecting Americans whether it be 100 years or more is worth it ? Don't you understand, dipchit, that bringing our troops home is just going to give them more time to plan even a bigger attack on American soil ? Do you care ? Do you really believe that they'll "close up shop" once we leave Iraq and leave America and Israel alone ?
LMAO...You really are as dumb as you look...
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 month, 2 weeks ago
''Well, if OSAMA said it then it MUST be true, right Deadxxxmanxxxwrong?''
hell FSU, Osama said he did 9/11, and it was good enough to attack Afghanistan.
Refresh my memory, what was our evidence against Osama besides his word?
anybody? wasn't their a laptop or a suitcase or something?
Hell, whatever the evidence was, it wasn't enough for the FBI to indict him
That's right. an FBI indictment for the African Embassies, but no FBI indictment for 9/11
why is that?
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I think you are what is called a 'flamer', and are not particularly interested in reasoned argument, but getting responses in order to generate words, a lot of sound and fury.
I remember you from before your long hiatus
I told you three times that AQ was never charged by US authorities with the 1993 WTC bombing, and you kept periodically saying AQ did that first bombing, even tho US authorities said any link between that first bombing and AQ was 'inconclusive'
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 month, 2 weeks ago
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FSU92grad1 month, 2 weeks ago
Well, because it's the truth...
Duh..
Just because you don't see it or agree with it, doesn't mean it's not the truth...
You're entitled to your opinions no matter how ignorant they are...I'm just not buyin'...I'm not blamin' America for what happened on 9/11 like you and mesodufus...
It's just you're stupid and I'm not...
That's all...
Simple semantics..
We can at least agree to disagree...
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mesodude1 month, 2 weeks ago
So basically what you're saying is that since you can't argue using reason and logic, insults are pretty much all you have left. Right, FSU? ;-)
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FSU92grad1 month, 2 weeks ago
No..I'm pretty much saying logic is out the window with you libs, so insults make me feel better...
pretty much...
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mesodude1 month, 2 weeks ago
In other words, you're behaving like someone with all the maturity of a 2nd grader. Got it...Thanks for clarifying. ;-P
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FSU92grad1 month, 2 weeks ago
Well...Yes...
maturity of a 2nd grader to speak to people like yourself so you can better understand what I'm saying...
Yep...That sums it up..
Now, go have a latte...Wait, 600 starbuck stores are closing ! GOSH ! What's Mesodufus to do ? Well, you could always move to Iran or Venezuela and have your cup of java there....Maybe Cuba ? I hear the politicians get only the best coffee, cigars and health care...only...wait...You're not a politician. You're just an ignorant liberal citizen...Oh-ohhhh...
Might have to stay here in America and bare the indecency of it all...I know..I know...America is terrible next to these other countries...But you'll get used to it, Mesodufus
Oh, the agony of it all...
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FSU92grad1 month, 1 week ago
"The Bush economy is amazing!"
Yes it is, but ironically you and the media paints this dismal picture that everything including the economy is bad...So, people that aren't too smart actually believe the stuff you're shovelin' and yes...perception is everything...People aren't buying coffee anymore because they believe the "gloom and doom" that's being fed to them, so don't blame it on Bush, dipchit, look in the mirror and CNN
By the way, what's the unemployment rate again ?
Hmmmm...I guess the best umemployment rate in a couple of decades doesn't help to shut your pie-hole....
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mesodude1 month, 1 week ago
"Yes it is, but ironically you and the media paints this dismal picture that everything including the economy is bad..."
--LOL...I see. The media is raining on cons' sad, desperate Bush parade by reporting that we've lost tens of thousands of jobs for the past 5 months in a row, millions of Americans face the prospect of losing their homes and oil continues to break records. Those bastards! Will they stop at nothing?!! ;-x
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FSU92grad1 month, 1 week ago
And buying a house you can't afford is Bush's fault how exactly?
I trying to understand your warped wisdom, dufus...
And I think 5.1% unemployment is still pretty good, despite your "glass is half-empy", gloom and doom attempt to paint is as bad...I believe it was the same rate when Clinton was running for re-election back in '96..
But you're a smart guy, you probably already knew that..
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mesodude1 month, 2 weeks ago
"I hear the politicians get only the best coffee, cigars and health care...only...wait...You're not a politician. You're just an ignorant liberal citizen...Oh-ohhhh..."
--Wow...It sounds like you're kinda bitter 'cause you backed Bush twice and all you got in return was $4 gas and a lousy "support the troops" magnet. ;-(
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mesodude1 month, 1 week ago
Almost forgot to mention, FSU. You're so poorly informed that you don't even realize why your ridiculous joke about politicians going to Cuba for health care makes no sense whatsoever (or maybe all cons are simply ignorant of the fact that *you* subsidize your elected officials' salaries, health insurance, pensions and various other benefits). And you're trumpeting the fact that you have a college degree? Wow...
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FSU92grad1 month, 1 week ago
LMAO !
Hey dipchit....I wasn't talking about OUR politicians...
I was talking about THEIRS...Their Communist government...They get all the nice crap, not the citizens that live there...Can you grasp that reality?
Talk about ignorant...Are you sure you're not retarded ?
You love the simple freedoms you have here where you can walk down to the store and get your coffee, but the very people you defend, can't do that...
How ironic...
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gamahuche1 month, 1 week ago
Too poor to pay for therapy FSU?
I think we could find a very brave shrink to take on you and St Etienne as a 2-fer and I don't think it would be hard to find subscriptions.
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HannibalBarca1 month, 1 week ago
WOW FSU !!!! These braindead attempts of yours at arguing points are really giving me second doubts at sending my kids to University.
For you to put OBL, 9/11 and Iraq in the same train of thought shows you have no thought.
And the only comparison to Hitler and your WH I will ever make is; Hitler wrote "Mein Kampf" in 23 outlining what he would do if he got power, and PNAC wrote in 92 what they would do, only when they did get power in 2000 it seems that their plan had a major flaw; Iraq did not fall in 6 months, and ever since I have heard some of the dumbest, stupid reasons why Iraq was a just decision, but you and your comments take the prize...CONGRADULATIONS FOOL
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mesodude1 month, 1 week ago
"They get all the nice crap, not the citizens that live there...Can you grasp that reality?"
--I'm trying... But I guess where I'm lost is where we're different from the Cubans. I mean, we pay to subsidize your elected officials' and their spouses and children's health care and other benefits and then we deny health insurance to millions of Americans who work but make only a fraction of what Congress members make. Why should 3 million children be denied the same thing cons give Bush and Barney and Laura (only without sobbing and whining that it's "socialism")? Don't cons care about the children? I thought they were "pro-life." That's false advertising. ;-(
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FSU92grad1 month, 2 weeks ago
Deadxxxmanxxxfullofxxxcrap,
As usual, you continue to twist my remarks and evade a direct question...
I never asked you if OBL took responsibility...the discussion was focused on why everybody hates us and all you libs continue to do is blame America for occupying Iraq...I asked why then did 9/11 happen if we weren't really occupying Iraq or any country really for that matter? You see, YOU'RE logic is flawed...You can't have your cake and eat it too...On one hand, you say it's occupation, on the other, we weren't occupying anything when 9/11 happen...So, to me their hatred stemmed WAYYYYYYY beyond and before 9/11 and thus proves my point that radical muslims and anti-Western terrorist hated America and our ways longer and before 9/11...It probably dates back to Biblical proportions...They will NEVER stop hating us even if we pull out...I don't know why that's so hard for you lefties to get...
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FSU92grad1 month, 1 week ago
Hey Dead man dorkus,
Is it possible...work with me here on this...Is it possible that OBL just said that America was occupying some basees in Saudi Arabia just as an excuse for 9/11...I mean, could it be that he would love to see everyone convert to Islam, everyone be under Sharia law, you know, go back to the caveman days with no electricity, no technology, no women's rights...possible world domination? Could it be possible, Deadxxmanxxxdontknowxxxcrap, that this is the real reason OBL attacked us and brought us to our knees and crippled this economy?
Could it be possible ?
I mean, Adolph was probably joking about world domination too, right, dead man?
Problem is, deadloser, is you never take these threats and things seriously and people suffer...You wait for a 9/11 and react and then blame the president and America for everything that goes wrong...That's your M.O....
It's pathetic, that's what it is....
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FSU92grad1 month, 1 week ago
Same reason you didn't believe Clinton when he said that Saddam had WMD's and made up come crap story about Bush doctoring the intell...
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998
But you'll believe him when he says that he tried to get OBL, but he wasn't "certified" by the CIA to get him...You'll believe that crap story, but not the other...
People lie and believing a thug like OBL may be in your best interest but not in mine...and I believe most of the terrorist could be traced back to AQ, Mr. Wizard....It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know who runs AQ and to figure out that he was responsible...The other thing you and OBL are suggesting is NOT so clear...
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FSU92grad1 month, 1 week ago
Deadxxmanxxstupid,
Hello, McFly?
I already answered your ridiculous question...Please put your bi-focals on and read, if you can...
"People lie and believing a thug like OBL may be in your best interest but not in mine...and I believe most of the terrorist could be traced back to AQ, Mr. Wizard....It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know who runs AQ and to figure out that he was responsible...The other thing you and OBL are suggesting is NOT so clear..."
OBL could have admitted 9/11 or not, we could have traced the hijackers back to AQ without OBL's admission....But OBL claiming he attacked America because of some bases in Saudi Arabia ? That's a pretty weak arguement, even for you, deadloser....But as usual, you continue to baffle us with your brilliance and spin tactics...
nuff said...
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gwhiddon1 month, 1 week ago
I seem to recall the Islamists tried in about 1993 to blow up the Towers - sooooo long before we were in Iraq.
Sounds like the troops in Saudi Arabia were just an excuse to keep attacking the U.S.
Of course, you might have to admit you are wrong - oh yeah, you can't do that, you have to put that on Bush.
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svensun1 month, 1 week ago
Surely, with your question, you JEST? You ARE kidding, aren't you?
You really DO NOT believe Osama was responsible for 9/11?
The fact that the 19 hijackers were AQ operatives does not convince you?
The fact that Osama, on videotape captured in Afghanistan, explained the operation, and his surprise that the buildings collapsed, as opposed to falling over, does not convince you?
All the other evidence produced at the 9-ll Commission hearings does not convince you?
http://www.9-11commission.gov/
Then you are beyond convincing, beyond evidence, beyond argumentation, and BEYOND logic.
You must be abiding in a world of UNREALITY, a fantasy world, which cannot be reached.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 month, 1 week ago
''.On one hand, you say it's occupation, on the other, we weren't occupying anything when 9/11 happen..''
uh huh
so this is how you honor the truth?
the US wasn't occupying 'anything' when 9/11 happened?
this is why I won't bother to argue with you, not the insults. Insults mean nothing to me, but arguing with someone with their own separate reality where the US is a non-interventionalist country would indeed make me quite stupid
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raza91 month, 1 week ago
FSU - "I asked why then did 9/11 happen if we weren't really occupying Iraq..."...."So, to me their hatred stemmed WAYYYYYYY beyond and before 9/11"
You got it!!!! The aggression we saw on 9-11 was not because of Iraq...right again, we weren't occupying their country, yet.
"They" do not hate us for our 'freedoms', 'our way of life' or our 'democracy'- that is just a silly notion provided to the public, that only the truly ignorant could possibly believe.
The real war presents the task of seeing what is real and what is not.
At present the world pretends the freedom-loving American government is fighting terror all over the world. Precious few people understand that the freedom-loving American government has actually created the terror it pretends to fight through our hypocritical foreign policy and interference in the internal affairs of Muslim countries. Be a puppet state, go along with the status quo or be destroyed.
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svensun1 month, 1 week ago
to 'raza', by which you mean, I suppose, 'Master Race',
You REALLY believe that the US has required all Muslim countries to be 'puppet states', or 'go along with the status quo', or 'be destroyed'?
Do you, really?
How then, do you explain the existence of Syria? Saudi Arabia? Sudan? Pakistan? Iran?
For that matter, how do you explain the existence of Iraq? A country, which I suppose you would call a 'puppet state', playing HARD BALL on a new 'status of forces' agreement, demanding ALL SORTS OF CONCESSIONS from the US before it agrees to sign a treaty regulating the presence of US forces in its' country? Would you describe these as the actions of a 'puppet state'?
If you do, then do you believe Mexico is an American 'puppet state'? Costa Rica? Canada? Germany? Japan?
If you DO, then I think your words will speak for themselves, and your claim to any fairness, impartiality or logic should be judged appropriately.
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raza91 month, 1 week ago
No your assumption is wrong svensun, my name tag is the name my husband and I named our first pet, and I happen to like the number nine. What is that old saying about when you assume?
Since I don't feel like typing a book today to explain our hypocritical foreign policies. I will refer you to another post I've made on this very topic.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/25/...
McCain: World War III Would Justify Draft » Propeller
We often arm both sides of military conflicts all over the world. Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised.
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raza91 month, 1 week ago
In regards to Iraq, Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11. Let me repeat, Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9-11. I suspect he wasn't going along with the status quo, and that's one of the many reasons we are there now. To replace him with someone who is acceptable to our government -our government that has been hijacked by Big Business and the military industrial complex. Certainly not by our Constitutional Republic form of government, for a Constitutional declaration of war does not exist for this misadventure. Congress 'authorized the use of military force' through a UN resolution. We are bound to the dictates of the UN.
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raza91 month, 1 week ago
Therefore, if the Iraqi's really want US out of their country, they won't sign a treaty with the US. Playing HARD BALL and demanding ALL SORTS OF CONCESSIONS is a wise move on their part. The Iraqi people don't seem to like the idea of becoming a puppet state. It is their country, afterall and they have openly declared that they want us OUT. The US is required to get out by the end of the year, according to the UN Resolution. We have to abide by the UN mandate, unless the Iraq's sign the treaty and extend our stay. Whether or not Iraq becomes a puppet state remains to be seen.
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mesodude1 month, 2 weeks ago
"You guys have become so complacent since 9/11 and continue to blame America for the reason it happened...."Osama said it was the bases occupying Saudi Arabia.."
-Please don't accuse anyone of being "complacent" when we're struggling to get people to fight this war. If people were so much behind our being in Iraq, we wouldn't be struggling to meet recruitment goals. The vast majority of war supporters aren't sacrificing anything. Until you are, you have no room to label others appeasers.
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mesodude1 month, 1 week ago
"And buying a house you can't afford is Bush's fault how exactly?"
--So then why do cons think anyone cares that you're wailing and moaning daily about gas prices and blaming Democrats for not drilling? According to your logic and reasoning, you quite stupidly gambled that gas prices would always be low and that living in places with no public transportation infrastructure was just a risk you take. Why don't you practice what you preach and take full responsibility for *your* life choices and stop blaming Democrats for your poor judgement?
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Georgia501 month, 1 week ago
"They" is the same group of malcontents our founding forefathers had to deal with in the Mediterranean. They were pirateering, terrorizing, enslaving, murderers then, and little has changed in 200 years. And once our cannons silenced the filth, John Adams had to deal with their "treaty" written two ways in two different languages because no business b/t Muslim and nonMuslim can be without intrigue.
It falls on deaf ears that not all Muslims are terrorists when millions of them will march in protest to a cartoon while they ignore a young Muslim girl who's stoned to death for the "crime" of bringing "dishonor" on her family by "allowing" herself to be gangraped by all the men of her family.
Get back to us when you liberals forgive Muslims for being in very deed all that you liberals claim to hate about Christianity, k?
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Georgia501 month, 1 week ago
And please don't tell me that only conservatives are intelligent enough to grasp the pattern here.
No. 1 killers of Buddhists for being Buddhist? Muslims.
Christians? Muslims.
Hindus? Muslims.
Jews? Muslims.
Shi'a? Sunni Muslims.
Sunni? Shi'a Muslims.
99.99% of all international terrorists over the past 20 years: Muslim. The only continent free of Muslim terrorists is the Antarctic.
It's the only major religion that approves of slavery and practices it. To say, "They don't play well with others..." might be a slight understatement.
Show me a European country with a high percentage of Muslims and I'll show you a country where white women are being raped by Muslim men at an alarming rate. There are those who suggest that once the clue has been shoved up your nether region sideways, it may be a bit too late.
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Georgia501 month, 1 week ago
Reality is not optional.
You show me the swarms of Muslims marching in protest to the stoning of a young Muslim rape victim being stoned. I can't prove something that never happened, but I can prove that Muslims march in protest to stupid cartoons.
Prove that Muslims are being killed for being Muslim by other religions. I can prove to the contrary from Israel to Indonesia.
Yes, I am aware of a small group of anti-terrorist Muslims who actually support the West and exhibit the best ideals within Islam. God bless 'em. They can belly up to my bar-b-q any day and will be welcomed as friends. This is not even a remarkable fraction within Islam, but I note it nevertheless.
I don't want a war with Islam. Islam wants a war with the West.
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gwhiddon1 month, 1 week ago
Hate filled hogwash?
Naw, just the facts.
You just won't admit something you won't believe, just might be the truth.
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Ratskii1 month, 1 week ago
Georgia, you ignorance of history is just astonishing. The piracy in the Mediterranean came from privateers for several North African governments. It was primarily commerce based rather than ideological. Their motives and background bore no relationship to that of those in the Middle East.
And yes, the U.S. and other Western nations have been getting into the middle of Middle Eastern affairs for the last 200 years. Remember after world war one when the Middle East was divvied up among several Western European powers. At least the U.S. wasn't directly involved in that. Winston Churchill had the sense to pull Britain out of Iraq in the 30s.
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Georgia501 month, 1 week ago
Rat,
I fail to see how a supposed difference in time and circumstance mattered to the US merchantmen killed and imprisoned by the Muslims of the barbary states. Fortunately for the survivors brought home by the Marines, Thomas Jefferson did not quibble as you do.
I would love to see you exhibit your grasp of history by explaining how the US meddled in the Middle East over the past 200 years. Please begin pre 1945 and work your way back.
What I recall is that the Ottoman Empire sided with Germany in WWI. I recall that Germany lost. Ooops!
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 month, 1 week ago
''Get back to us when you liberals forgive Muslims for being in very deed all that you liberals claim to hate about Christianity, k?''
you might have to help me with this sentence
I can't quite get the gist of it
but it's a Christian's job to forgive
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as for your seeming assertion that Islam is a 'bad religion' and responsible for untold evil
people kill people
religions can only facilitate and excuse murder
like when Georgie boy said God wanted him to invade Iraq
only people can kill people. religions and holy books cannot. [well, some of those books are heavy enough to be used as a murder weapon]
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so people who are muslim commit atrocity, but how much of that atrocity can be blamed on the religion, and how much on other factors, like cultural ones, economic and political ones, etc.?
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Georgia501 month, 1 week ago
The Eurotrash media refuses to identify Muslim rapists. Even when the rapist claims her gang rapists took showers after the rape (Allah's book of holiness requires men to take showers after sex...apparently to Allah's diligent followers this includes rape) the media merely refers to them as "men" and "alleged rapists."
And in Saudi Arabia today, Jews are portrayed on children's cartoons as apes and swine. Pardon me if I have trouble mixing 'Islam' and 'civilization' together in the same sentence.
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Georgia501 month, 1 week ago
It is immaterial whether Islam is a good or bad religion. The casual acceptance by Islamic masses, tacit support for Osama, handing out candy to children on 9/11, and 9/11 itself, informs any open mind all it needs to know about Islam. If Muslims are not happy with the image they display to the West, they are free to alter that view to something more civilized.
Christian forgiveness is a personal ethic, that is, person-to-person. It has nothing to do with martial or political considerations and you cannot provide a new testament scripture to the contrary.
You honestly need help with ''Get back to us when you liberals forgive Muslims for being in very deed all that you liberals claim to hate about Christianity, k?'' ???
I am mocking the hypocrisy of liberals, who seethe at their feverishly imagined view of Christians and Christianity, yet when faced with even greater barbarity from Muslims, suddenly feign tolerant.
The human language can't even describe this stupidity.
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mesodude1 month, 2 weeks ago
" It's interesting how you libs continue to blame our occupation in Iraq (military bad, appeasment good) as the reason why the world hates us, but yet this was clearly not the case when we lost 3,000 lives 7 years ago..."
--What's difficult to understand? The rest of the world was outraged by the acts of the Saudis and on our side in the wake of 9/11. For the most part, they supported our invasion of Afghanistan. Iraq they suspect was about profiteering from the very beginning and when their fears were confirmed, they (like most Americans) were angered, disgusted and repulsed by our lies.
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AbuAmirah1 month, 1 week ago
I can see why you got 8 negatives with your rambling post. Have you ever asked why they hate us and then went out and did some research? They don't hate because of our freedoms, they hate us because countless American regimes have supported despotic regimes that has waged war on their own people. In 1953, OPERATION AJAX was done by the CIA. It overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran and put back the tyrant Reza Phalavi on the throne. Well, the rest is history. Dude got overthrown and the Iranian people didn't forget that America supported him. Just like we support mostly all of the corrupt governments in the region. Also, not really being a fair arbiter in the Zionist/Palestinian peace process doesn't help
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Wolfie20071 month, 1 week ago
Hey, jmarks did you hear about the 5 tons of Saddam's yellow cake we hauled out of Iraq? I wonder what Saddam was going to do with it?
Btw, I'm not so sure about the Taliban re-energizing, the coalition kicked their a$$es last week and they aren't nearly as frisky and energetic after losing more than 100 fighters.
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BB641 month, 2 weeks ago
Everyone knows it? Perhaps you should actually get to know some of the troops over there. We're taking the fight to the terrorists. We are winning and that's very bad for liberals like you and Obama who really want to see America lose.
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mesodude1 month, 2 weeks ago
"Everyone knows it? Perhaps you should actually get to know some of the troops over there."
--Or perhaps you and everyone else who so desperately wants us to stay there indefinitely should get up close and personal with our enemies. You're so committed to us staying there but what do you have to lose? If you're so concerned about fighting terrorism, you, your friends and everyone in your families who are able bodied should be there. Otherwise, your just cheerleading while others risk their lives. Anyone can do that and claim they're a patriot. It's costing you NOTHING so why wouldn't you want it to go on indefinitely. Exactly...
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mesodude1 month, 2 weeks ago
I guess it depends somewhat on what she's doing there and why. Even if your family is sacrificing, this doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of Americans *aren't*. If you don't understand what it means to sacrifice, then maybe you and other cons here (who love to bring up WWII etc) need a refresher course in world history. With WWII we had a draft. We rationed food, gas and clothing for four years . We were encouraged to recycle many goods and we planted Victory gardens.
--Are you being told how often you can eat meat or drive your car? Are you being ordered to enlist or told that you're only allowed to buy a limited amount of clothing, sugar, or fruit juice? No. You're not. Bush told you to go shopping--not cut back on driving. He ran up our national debt to ten trillion dollars and he told Americans they can borrow now and worry about paying their debts later. That ain't sacrifice.
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BB641 month, 1 week ago
I'm not sure what you're looking for. We don't need a draft. We're not really short handed, what we really need to do is reduce the numbers of reserve units and increase the active military. When the Cold War ended the DNC and GOP Congress reduced military spending, relying on the Reserves and Guard units, was a mistake.
As to her duty, she's pretty special. I'm her second husband. Her first was a Marine, KIA in Afghanistan 2003. She went from carrier pilot to command. This is her third tour in this region. Her goal was to stay in 25 years, but that might change with the next election.
On sacrifices, why? What is the point? We're not feeding nor arming the world as we did in WW2. As to the debt, which social service would you cut? Welfare, health care, food stamps or education. I mean for the illegal aliens. That would wipe the debt from the books.
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mesodude1 month, 1 week ago
"I'm not sure what you're looking for. We don't need a draft."
--I didn't say we need a draft. I stated that we had a draft when we were engaged in a war Americans were genuinely invested in fighting. We *don't* need a draft and we didn't need to beef up our military until Bush got into office and started playing cowboy. We're meeting our recruitment goals by bribing felons and non-US citizens because Americans don't believe in this war.
"On sacrifices, why? What is the point? "
--Because those who aren't sacrificing anything have the luxury of dictating that we stay there indefinitely. Nice for them, not so great for those who are suffering because we're there.
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mesodude1 month, 1 week ago
"We're not feeding nor arming the world as we did in WW2."
--That's not the point. Do you think that the mission in Iraq is so significant and so vital to the future security of our country and the people of Iraq that we should stay there indefinitely but you don't see anything wrong with relying on a fraction of a percentage of Americans to do all of the sacrificing? You don't think there's something even a little bit unseemly about running around idiotically crying about gas prices and beating the drum to drill for more oil? They're dying for you but let them eat cake? Just continue merrily rolling along.
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Endoscopy1 month, 1 week ago
Listen to the two super libs trying to make it ;look like we are losing and fighting the citizens of Iraq. These poor boys don't want the truth because that would mean that the DNC concepts that Soros gave them is falling apart and that just can't be. Saint Soros has spoken and his truth must be told.
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mesodude1 month, 1 week ago
"These poor boys don't want the truth because that would mean that the DNC concepts that Soros gave them is falling apart and that just can't be."
--The truth is that wingjobs aren't serving in Iraq. Like you, they're serving in their parents' basements using the "return" key on their pc as their weapon. That's all you chickenhawks are risking, Endo. Dodge and duck the truth all you want. You're still chickenhawks to the bitter end of the wingjob movement and you're not patriots for sitting back and begging others to die for you. You can't be serious. LOL ;-0
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Endoscopy1 month, 1 week ago
It means exactly what I mean. If you look it up at this site you will understand.
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/argu...
Attack the person. Don't you think insults are attacking the person?
Poor little Corbin needs to grow up.
Ad hominem attack.
Looney Tunes is part the Warner Brothers cartoons.
You liberals make me think of the cartoons and that is why I use it.
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dunkirk1 month, 2 weeks ago
Maybe you should get to know them instead of reading the GOP talking points. If you did you'd know they regard Iraq as a big mistake, ill-prepared and a boondoggle. But hey that doesn't fit into your fantasy.
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BB641 month, 2 weeks ago
Talking points? My wife is with Centcom and flew into Iraq today. You're correct when you mention the planing. Based upon the CIA reports, the invasion and occupation failed to take into account the Iranian and Alqueda insurgents. Both were active and overly suppressed by Saddam and his secret police. When they fell, things went badly. This still falls to the failed CIA reports. Rather than worrying about a low level clerk like Val Plame and spending millions on really nothing, they should have questioned the CIA's failings.
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Ratskii1 month, 1 week ago
Their (and the White House's) planning failed to take into account a whole lot more than that. Iran and al-Queda only became problems after Bremer disbanded the Iraqi Army and threw most Sunnis out of the civil service. They not only failed to take into consideration the potential civil war between Sunnis and Shi'a but were unaware of the splits among the Shi'a themselves. Al-Queda was opportunist but made the mistake of pi$$ing of their Sunni allies. There never was a threat of al-Queda taking over Iraq.
And re: the Plame affair. Val was closely associated with a front organization which was linked to many other U.S. agents. It takes years and sometimes decades to build an organization like it that has official status and can give CIA people cover and enable them to infiltrate the enemy. The Plame affair set the U.S. intelligence community back further than you can probably ever guess.
Perhaps you and ask your wife to explain it to you.
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