Evil Reigns but None Dare Call it Treason »
Posted By populist 3 months, 1 week ago in NewsTorture advocated, secret armies and prisons encouraged, ignoring habeas corpus for anyone pointed to and called "enemy combatant." Yet, non dare call it treason.
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Teech3 months, 1 week ago
"Torture advocated, secret armies and prisons encouraged, ignoring habeas corpus for anyone pointed to and called "enemy combatant." Yet, non dare call it treason."
Treason? Of course not. I looked it up in the Official Republican/Neocon Dictionary of Terms. They call that "patriotism."
"Treason" is when you disagree with it.
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rightfromwrong3 months, 1 week ago
Treason it is and Patriotism is ain't.
Investigate 9/11....demand answers!!!! All for oil.
Conspiracy was that Bush, Cheney and the rest of the Whitehouse thugs withheld vital intelligence before the vote on whether to attack Iran. There were no WMD and Saddam had no affiliation with Al Qaeda.
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Blackacereturn3 months, 1 week ago
They have eroded any high ground we had. We cannot say to anyone what you are doing is wrong because they will just laugh!
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mesodude3 months, 1 week ago
"Some do. But we seem to get drowned out by the MSM."
ICAM and I think we'll really learn the extent to which the Bush and the GOP have helped the right wing media prosper and vice versa once the Democrats have a larger majority and we can start hauling some of the Bushco enablers (particularly phone company execs and right wing radio stooges) in front of Congress to find out what they've been up to the last 8 years. The Justice Department scandal, in my view, reflects only the tip of the iceberg and I suspect much more criminality has helped the GOP maintain power for as long as it has. I would particularly like to know what the mega church establishment has been up to. ;-(
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injest3 months, 1 week ago
Name this law / act? Hint, it's not the PATRIOT ACT
This Law
The Center for National Security Studies issued an excellent [WWW]analysis of the bill, along with information on the [WWW]FBI and [WWW]trends.
The National Coalition Against Repressive Legislation summarized the bill in XXXX and the law as finally passed in XXXX. NCARL and others raised important criticisms:
Presumed guilty, secret evidence can be used Permanent resident aliens arrested under this law have to prove they should not be held in jail before trial. Secret evidence can used in the detention hearings and at trial that only the judge could see, not the defendant.
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injest3 months, 1 week ago
First Amendment protections weakened. The law lifts a 19XX Crime law restriction prohibiting the FBI from investigations based on speech or beliefs, when restricting humanitarian aid. Foreigners can be barred from speaking in the U.S. using McCarthy era McCarran-Walter Act provisions. An overbroad definition of terrorism virtually requires the Justice Department to select crimes to prosecute based on political beliefs and associations.
Presidential powers expanded. The President can label organizations -- without any appeal or review -- as "terrorist", and criminalize fundraising for humanitarian aid even remotely related to such groups
Punishment for lawful actions. Permanent resident aliens can be deported or indefinitely jailed for their affiliations or political activity, with no judicial review.
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jovial3 months, 1 week ago
The Republican Senate and Congress aided and abetted this administration in these crimes. At times Democrats had to hold meetings in the basement of the Whitehouse. The call from Democratic congreesmen/woman was heard, but it had no bearing on the outcome of the vote. Further intimidation was used against Democrats. The pundits on Foxnews and various other sources were calling for eradication of the filibuster. Rendering Democrats without any weapon to have any sway in the legislation of this country. I am truly amazed at the short-term memory of these Democrats. Maybe they just want to be just and fair, but believe me if Republican control sweeps Congress again, and i predict it will some day. The Republicans will not show the just and fair practices that I have seen form these Democrats. When will they learn? They are fighting a foe that is in some ways like the terrorists they try to make us fear. (cont.)
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jovial3 months, 1 week ago
To know one's enemy is to be on the path to victory. Unscrupulous, these conservatives. They lie, spread rumours, hide behind religion, the flag, and the military. Yet they truly believe in neither one. The ultimate goal is power. Corporate power, political power, and greed. I am shocked that so many people continue to be stymied by the blatant ruthlessness of the hijacked Republican party. Most people that believe the constant spew of garbage from Foxnews and Limbaugh, etc. really believe that conservatism is in their best interest. It takes a narrow focus and almost stubborn willingness not to see that this is hurting America.
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Natureboy3 months, 1 week ago
Oh, if only the republicans were pure evil and the Dems were knights in shining armor - but it ain't so.
Check the votes on any of the really terrible things, from the vote greenlighting the Iraq invasion to the Military Commissions Act. And see how many Dems marched in lockstep with the republicans.
Evil comes in two flavors, these days.
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jordan113 months, 1 week ago
he Republican Senate and Congress aided and abetted this administration in these crimes. At times Democrats had to hold meetings in the basement of the Whitehouse. The call from Democratic congreesmen/woman was heard, but it had no bearing on the outcome of the vote. Further intimidation was used against Democrats>>>>
Yes, so I have to ask; WTH is wrong with them now? Why is Reid allowing filibusters without requiring CONS to hold the floor & have to talk & explain their dang selves? Doesn't he understand countless voters are oblivious to what the CONS are doing? I just don't get it.
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woodguru3 months, 1 week ago
One of the things that would serve us well to start recognizing is that the big business favoring administration that has been so hideously costly over the last two terms has it's element of democratic support. Dems could have a president and more seats but if we don't do our part to recognize good government and the very good elected public servants that are on both sides fighting for the right policies that are in our best interest we can have the same machine of big business oriented dems and pubs wreaking havoc with the attempts at good legislation. It will be up to us to pay attention to issues and what the right fixes are or we can counteract good work through ignorance of the true underlying facts.
The best example of that is the oil issue and the "drill for more oil" The huge group of ignorant voters who don't know any facts incorrectly oppose dems as the opposing tree hugging libs that are fighting their "good" and "necessary" policy.
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woodguru3 months, 1 week ago
If we get a democrat president and more seats there is still a major political machine in power. They will have the ability to wreak havoc and throw spins on every good legislation proposed. There are bad dems and republicans that are part of this system just as we have a lot of good elected officials on both sides of the fence trying to overcome this big business oriented administration.
Make no mistake, we have a group of lobby motivated politicians that will become professional disruptors of everything that makes the best sense to change. Attempts to cut off unnecessary giveaways will be opposed, fillibustered, compromise bartered, as well as playing the public attack of the surface level of the issue that plays so well to their ignorant support base.
Good tax reform will get beat up with cries of "oh my god they want to increase taxes" We are going to need to be well informed enough to know what republican bastions need to be torn apart and what makes sense.
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donald513 months, 1 week ago
18 of the 22 Most Corrupt Congressmen are still Repugs with the only senators on the CREW List being Repugs! Go Figure! Heck, even with Clinton it took the repug instigated 7 years of investigation to finally only produce something our presidents have been excused for in the past - an illicit affair!
All the vices listed are Repug inspired and completely supported for by almost 8 years by the Repug congressmen - so, there is a big difference between the values of the two parties! Only the Repugs have convictions at the presidential cabinet level in 3 different administrations: Watergate, Iran Contra, & Plamegate!
Only Dems have supported the Truth in Telecommunications Act that Reagan vetoed and the Fairness Act of today! Clinton didn't purge emails and his justice department backed congressional contempt charges.
Anyone who is trying to say the 2 parties are equally evil is in denial, just rationalizing his own evil, and UN-American!
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berkeley3 months, 1 week ago
trivia: who wrote
Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
law in itself is meaningless unless it is enforced. Judge Merrick B. Garland, of the DC District Court of Appeals in a ruling issued june 30, admitted that without the will, provided by either congress or the DOJ, to enforce a ruling, even judicial review can be meaningless, and hence Huzaifa Parhat still sits in solitary confinement, unaware that he is a free man.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/07/07/...
answer: sir john harrington, 400 years ago.
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populist3 months, 1 week ago
Exactly - and no one in D.C. seems to be able to give an answer to that either...
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donald513 months, 1 week ago
ONly a Repug led Congress has ever tried to impeach before (Johnson & Bill)... maybe its just not in Dems to tear down the presidentcy like Repugs have tried! Maybe, Pelosi knew whe'd never have the votes in the Senate to convict since all the Repug Senators still generally back Dumya's evils!
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woodguru3 months, 1 week ago
You want to know what's treason? How about war profiteering? There are statutes against it but it isn't an issue with the Bush administration, he wouldn't even use the regulatory commission in charge of power company regulation to do their job.
Outing an undercover CIA agent and placing their lives in danger is treason. Pardoning one of the people legally prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced for that should be almost as big a crime as the crime itself.
I don't believe a president should have the right to use a pardon where there aren't supportive extenuated circumstances. To use it as Bush repeatedly has to pardon a convicted criminal is as criminal an action as the crime itself. Bush has defied oversight committees, legislation, inquiries, demands for testimony and documentation, and protected so many criminal activities that nobody even pays attention anymore, impeachable offenses are too common.
The pure transparency of entering into a war under false pretenses has to be
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donald513 months, 1 week ago
...see the article today where trade to Iran has increased tenfold under Dumya, and not just stuff permitted under humanitarian constraints? Military hardware too!
How about a president who vetos a defense spending bill because it would have permitted our Sadam tortured soldiers to sue Iraq? But, Dumya has allowed foreign companies to sue for reparations!
He and all his neocons really should be rotting in a foreign jail guilty of war crimes for which we hanged 11 Natzis and at least 3 Japanese after WW2. How can the repugs/right wingers/evangelicals condone such un-American behavior?
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DarkWizard3 months, 1 week ago
Shock and Awe! Our government in the handling of its confused constituents.
You might as well be looking for evidence of UFOs as to figure out why the masses seem ignorant to the smoke and mirrors our government has thrown in front of us.
1) Our government has no respect for us and feels invincible and untouchable in its accountability to us.
2) They have all the money, time, power, influence, and resources to weave their webs of deceit and dare the commoners to unite and fight back.
The best we can hope for, at this point, is that our government implodes on itself and sanity is restored by people less corrupt and self-serving than the lot we have now (in ALL branches of government).
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chuck-the-canuck3 months, 1 week ago
Part of the reason is you seem to have become a country of ill tempered sheep, kept in line by the scary stories told to you by the wolves in sheep's clothing.
One party figures the way to victory is by scaring the hell out of you and the other one just wants to be liked.
One is the devil, the other is a well meaning duffus.
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donald513 months, 1 week ago
Dumya empowered Putin to try dastardly ways to stay in power, the Israelis to conduct a war to get back two soldiers, he has created another generation of arabs that hate America, and he has really made Iran the power to be reconed with in the middle east!
How about that American Captain and West Pointer who was the first Moslem Chaplain in the US Army, Dumya had him thrown in solitary confinement for 76 days, all resulting in no charges, his divorce and a ruined military career - yes, Dumya was a liar at the UN when he said he respected the rights of man!
In late 2003 CSPAN had an Oxford debate on who was the greatest threat to mankind - Dumya won!
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Amazing13 months, 1 week ago
And the tree of liberty must still be nourished from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
There's the rub. Who dares to spill their blood. For we are now held captive by a treasonous government and few dare utter the words. Fewer still will stand their ground like the men who founded this nation by pledging their LIVES, their FORTUNES and their SACRED HONOR!
How many in Washington are capable of grasping the concept of Sacred Honor? And let us not forget that is one thing to grasp the concept and quite another to live a life which embodies that Sacred Honor.
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Natureboy3 months, 1 week ago
The really foul truth, the one that few dare face, is that Der Bush does not represent a departure from the status quo, but rather a continuation of it. Focus on Der Bush, and you will miss what you need to see - that he is a sock-puppet for the same group of people who have been calling the shots all along.
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ningyo3 months, 1 week ago
a real convention of left-wingnuts---you left out the part about the coming fascist martial law tho--get out the tin foil hats boys..denvers on the way
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CHAM3 months, 1 week ago
ningyo, what would be your definition of corrupt activity?
No need to start an all day list of things illegal, corrupt, dangerous to the Constitution, costly to the people, or utter immoral depravity over the last eight years, we have all seen that.
Is it your contention that all this came about because of Left Wing Nuts?
I didn't know I was a Left Wing Nut until I started speaking up for moral, ethical, Constitutional behavior, then you people, who seemed to me to be against moral, ethical, Constitutional behavior, begin to crawl from wherever you were, to defend the Criminal in Chief for some reason. I'm never able to understand why except for your excuse that we, those who think like me, are left wing nuts.
I never considered myself as a Left Wing Nut, just an American who loves his country.
I guess the opposite of a Left Wing Nut is a Right Wing Nut, Does that leave "Lover of America" safely in the middle?
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