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The Senate, the Iraq War and the 80/20 Rule »

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In a country that struggles to remain free from the unduly influence of the powerful, the 80/20 Rule applies well; the defenders, as a rule, being the vital few. Truth and honesty are not things that can be changed by a simple vote, and neither should matters clearly written in our Constitution, such as the power to declare war.

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    populist1 month, 1 week ago

    The Constitution does not give the president the power to wage war without first getting a declaration of war from Congress. Although some try to claim that the 2002 Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF) fulfilled this requirement, it did not. All it did was transfer a Constitutional power - the power to declare war - from congress to the president. This transfer of power is a violation of the Constitution in and of itself.

    Thus, the president violated the Constitution by waging war on Iraq without a declaration of war from congress. And, possibly even more important, everyone in congress who voted for the AUMF in 2002 violated the Constitution as well by illegally transferring their power to declare war to the president.

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      rightfromwrong1 month, 1 week ago

      What a sad state of affairs the USA has become by following the agenda of the elite who strive for more money & power.

      Good submission Populist

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        populist1 month, 1 week ago

        right, and they will tax and spend us into complete oblivion - all while claiming to "protect" us!

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      baoma1 month, 1 week ago

      Good submission Populist

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        yokool1 month, 1 week ago

        Great article re-ran, Populist!!! I remember reading this article 3 or 4 years ago; it made me mad about our lousy Congress and it makes me furious now. We never learn!

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          yokool1 month, 1 week ago

          Great article when I first read it, 3 or 4 years ago; just as great today. I was mad then about Congress, and FURIOUS now!

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            KISA452a1 month, 1 week ago

            They are the vital few if you agree with them. Or they are the tyrants like South Africa during aparthide.

            SCOTUS can not just randomly look into things. It would be unconstitutional for them to "something that is quite unconstitutional. but which does not seem to invoke action from our Supreme Court." But you imply that this unconstitutionality is ok, again because you agree with it.

            You can have debates with reasonable arguments on both sides that saying "We agree to declare war at the time you say it is necessary' vs "We agree to declare war today" is or is not fundamentally the same.

            On the other hand, I do applaud all those who voted against the war from the outset. They deserve respect for taking the hard position that they felt was right. Those who voted for the war and now attack it should be, at the least, voted out for being cowards in the begining and continuing to be so now. All for politics.

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              ML20071 month, 1 week ago

              It is almost 6 years now, and many of the dastardly culprits are still in office giving us their opinion on how the state of affairs ought to go in these United States. That is the tragedy behind this all. We have elected despots, traitors, and tyrants who hold our Constitution in ill repute. They have arrogantly and openly held disdain for the document every single one of them swore to uphold, and in the process, they refused to abide by the document by their own irresponsibility. Nevertheless, it is We the People who are ultimately held to accountability, for it is we who suckle the promises of a chicken in every pot, it is we who vote each tyrant into office, it is we who gush with national pride as the industrial military complex marches its troops off to its next imperialistic adventure, and it is we who have tolerated the tyranny of our elected officials and the loss of our own freedoms. Until We the People resist, tyranny will march on forever leaving our freedoms trampled.

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                yokool1 month, 1 week ago

                Good show, ML2007... unfortunately even those of us who agree with you are tepid on taking to the street wrecking havoc, of just with pots and pans as Molly Ivins suggested. We are softies, or maybe in need of leadership.

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                hefaa11 month, 1 week ago

                80/20 Rule was named for George W. Numbnuts. According to the polls:

                80% of U.S Citizens disapprove of his policies.

                20% approve.

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                  obiefrommuskogee1 month, 1 week ago

                  Glad to have the list of the vital few. Too bad about the two "Johns". Byrd was remarkable during the debates. I felt sure they were monitoring chat rooms during the discussions, because I seemed to hear echoes of the bulletin boards in the floor debate.

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                    CHAM1 month, 1 week ago

                    Unfortunately for America, and for those who have died, been maimed, and the many who have had their futures destroyed, the War reasons were a crock, a lie. And many bought it.

                    To believe that Saddam had WMD would have been a stretch for the average American should they have given a thought, the place had been bombed daily for ten straight years, the Nuclear Reactor was bombed by Israel in th 80's, and Iraq had no naturally occurring Uranium ore.

                    We have satellites that can read a license plate from outer space, would a thinking person believe that they could have moved them out unobserved?

                    Iraq did have gas ( furnished by Rumsfeld and the Neo-Cons)

                    and whether they ever manufactured any Biological Weapons was a red herring since they had no way to deliver the stuff.

                    But remember how the 20% were treated by the 80? How we wanted to change the name of French Fries?

                    Wilfredo Pareto's Economic theory is applicable in just about everything. And accurate.

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                      CHAM1 month, 1 week ago

                      The only deviation from the 80/20 rule that has occurred since Pareto's time has been the transfer of wealth.

                      Pareto's most famous "rule" was that 20% of the people control 80% of the wealth.

                      Today that figure is more like 5% of the people control 95% of the wealth and the trend is toward 1%/99%.

                      We all need to wake up, because there is a threshold when all order breaks down. I don't know where that line is drawn in the dirt. but its there.

                      At some threshold, when enough of our Constitution is ignored, all the rest of the rule of law will cease and anarchy will rule.

                      When some threshold of wealth distribution is reached all Financial order will cease and the country will be ruled by those that have and those that don't will be forced into slavery to "the man".

                      We Americans need a change. We need a change for the better before we reach that threshold.

                      There is a tremendous difference between what we can do and what we should do.

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                        Natureboy1 month, 1 week ago

                        "At some threshold, when enough of our Constitution is ignored, all the rest of the rule of law will cease and anarchy will rule"

                        Anarchy doesn't typically rule - that's what makes it anarchy. Rulers are the disease, anarchy is the cure.

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